Pigeon feeder fined £80
FEEDING the birds will cost more than Mary Poppins' tuppence a bag after a Trowbridge woman was fined £80 for throwing down excessive amounts of bread.
West Wiltshire District Council revealed it had issued a fixed penalty notice after a council officer witnessed the unnamed woman throwing large quantities of bread and other food for the birds in the town centre.
It is the first fine to be handed out in the town for this offence in a bid to reduce the pigeon flock in Trowbridge.
Town councillor Tom James said: "It's about time something is done. The town council has been requesting the district council to do something for years.
"At the end of the day people should be prosecuted. The damage the pigeons are causing is horrendous." The Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 extended the use of fixed penalty notices to deal with issues like fly-posting, graffiti, abandoning vehicles and littering.
The notice against the woman was issued on October 18 but was not paid until last week. The woman had been summonsed to appear before Chippenham magistrates but the case did not reach court.
Over the past 12 months the district council has issued 11 fixed penalty notices.
John Carter, environmental health manager, said: "Council officers only agreed to accept payment of the fixed penalty after meeting the offender and warning her about her future conduct."
5:30pm Thursday 27th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: moonrakin_wurzel, Trowbridge on 8:53pm Thu 27 Mar 08
the unnamed woman ???
Oh, for gawd's WTF is wrong with naming her? - one can find out quite simply - it's a public record.
And FFS!
I want this to apply to $peed cameras!!
"Council officers only agreed to accept payment of the fixed penalty after meeting the offender and warning her about her future conduct."
World's gone mad innit?
the unnamed woman ???
Oh, for gawd's WTF is wrong with naming her? - one can find out quite simply - it's a public record.
And FFS!
I want this to apply to $peed cameras!!
"Council officers only agreed to accept payment of the fixed penalty after meeting the offender and warning her about her future conduct."
World's gone mad innit?
Posted by: Disgusted of, Westbury on 9:04pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Maybe they should train the pigeons to go and sh1t on that bloody great statue of Russell hawker they going to put in Market Place?
Maybe they should train the pigeons to go and sh1t on that bloody great statue of Russell hawker they going to put in Market Place?
Posted by: english bulldog, sin-city on 9:10pm Thu 27 Mar 08
brought some nice fat pigeons at the polish deli last week,said were locally breed on the label,must have meant with local bread,delicious they were,long live mary poppins.
brought some nice fat pigeons at the polish deli last week,said were locally breed on the label,must have meant with local bread,delicious they were,long live mary poppins.
Posted by: moonrakin_wurzel, Trowbridge on 9:15pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Didn't realise they were being ahem... processed - I'll have tocheck that out - I've no problem eating pigeons - or rabbits for that matter - remember a time when dozens of rabbits used to hang outside Trowbridge butchers shops - better than mixy-ing them anyday.
Didn't realise they were being ahem... processed - I'll have tocheck that out - I've no problem eating pigeons - or rabbits for that matter - remember a time when dozens of rabbits used to hang outside Trowbridge butchers shops - better than mixy-ing them anyday.
Posted by: Public Spirit, Wiltshire on 10:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted of[/bold] wrote:
Maybe they should train the pigeons to go and sh1t on that bloody great statue of Russell hawker they going to put in Market Place? [/quote] Maybe they could train the pigeons to go and s1t on that microscopic statue of 'Disgusted of Westbury' that they'll hide away well out of the Market Place if anyone could find it.
Disgusted of wrote:
Maybe they should train the pigeons to go and sh1t on that bloody great statue of Russell hawker they going to put in Market Place?
Maybe they could train the pigeons to go and s1t on that microscopic statue of 'Disgusted of Westbury' that they'll hide away well out of the Market Place if anyone could find it.
Posted by: Public Spirit, Wiltshire on 10:25pm Thu 27 Mar 08
WWDC would probably have given the same woman a medal if she had thrown bread down in Melksham.
WWDC would probably have given the same woman a medal if she had thrown bread down in Melksham.
Posted by: AndrewLye, Pembrokeshire on 10:35pm Thu 27 Mar 08
£80? Thats chicken feed....
£80? Thats chicken feed....
Posted by: YetiJoe, Trow on 10:48pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Rats with wings. I wish someone would just poison the lot of them.
Rats with wings. I wish someone would just poison the lot of them.
Posted by: Bob, Paxcroft City on 12:06am Fri 28 Mar 08
YetiJoe,
I think thats no way to describe people looking for a way to improve their standard of living, shame on you!
YetiJoe,
I think thats no way to describe people looking for a way to improve their standard of living, shame on you!
Posted by: Bob, Paxcroft City on 12:09am Fri 28 Mar 08
Andrew Lye, PEMBROKESHIRE,
You really need to get out more!
Andrew Lye, PEMBROKESHIRE,
You really need to get out more!
Posted by: Walter McCabe, Freshford on 3:42pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Stuart of Westbury will feed em now!!
Stuart of Westbury will feed em now!!
Posted by: Wiltshireflag Man, Trowbridge on 4:34pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Feral pigeons can carry Chiamdiosis and Psittacosis, diseases similar to influenza and pneumonia, and also they damage the fabric of buildings. The bulk of the food they eat in towns is made up of the discarded burgers, chips and general food waste that some people insist on eating whilst wandering, and then dump in the street. Each pigeon can eat 64 pounds of food per year! 18 million feral pigeons in this country means a lot of droppings on the buildings and streets.
Feral pigeons can carry Chiamdiosis and Psittacosis, diseases similar to influenza and pneumonia, and also they damage the fabric of buildings. The bulk of the food they eat in towns is made up of the discarded burgers, chips and general food waste that some people insist on eating whilst wandering, and then dump in the street. Each pigeon can eat 64 pounds of food per year! 18 million feral pigeons in this country means a lot of droppings on the buildings and streets.
Posted by: Walter McCabe, Freshford on 4:55pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Wiltshireflag Man is 100% right of course, in all seriousness we would be far better off without such high numbers of pigeons in town centres.
Wiltshireflag Man is 100% right of course, in all seriousness we would be far better off without such high numbers of pigeons in town centres.
Posted by: Mar, Trowbridge on 9:23pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Pigeons will long survive here, fed by the continuous litter of all people, but mostly the English.
Pigeons will long survive here, fed by the continuous litter of all people, but mostly the English.
Posted by: AndrewLye, Pembrokeshire on 9:42am Sat 29 Mar 08
Wiltshireflagman is correct. Pigeons carry more diseases than rats!
And Bob, I do get out. I was in Wiltshire last week-end, including Trowbridge. I apologise for my sense of humour.
Wiltshireflagman is correct. Pigeons carry more diseases than rats!
And Bob, I do get out. I was in Wiltshire last week-end, including Trowbridge. I apologise for my sense of humour.
Posted by: super pip, trowbridge on 8:56pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Maybe the council could employ the ex-bowyers workers to chase the pigeons on a rotating shift patterns. Thus stopping them from landing.
Maybe the council could employ the ex-bowyers workers to chase the pigeons on a rotating shift patterns. Thus stopping them from landing.
Posted by: Disgusted of, Westbury on 10:22pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]AndrewLye[/bold] wrote:
Wiltshireflagman is correct. Pigeons carry more diseases than rats! And Bob, I do get out. I was in Wiltshire last week-end, including Trowbridge. I apologise for my sense of humour.[/quote]
Westbury not important enough for you posh tourists then?
AndrewLye wrote:
Wiltshireflagman is correct. Pigeons carry more diseases than rats! And Bob, I do get out. I was in Wiltshire last week-end, including Trowbridge. I apologise for my sense of humour.
Westbury not important enough for you posh tourists then?
Posted by: SmokeBan, pigeon street on 7:14am Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]super pip[/bold] wrote:
Maybe the council could employ the ex-bowyers workers to chase the pigeons on a rotating shift patterns. Thus stopping them from landing.[/quote] Love it! what a great idea! and perhaps also ban the old witch that feeds them from ASDA! give her an ASDA ASBO! BTW I think she lives in Innox road!
super pip wrote:
Maybe the council could employ the ex-bowyers workers to chase the pigeons on a rotating shift patterns. Thus stopping them from landing.
Love it! what a great idea! and perhaps also ban the old witch that feeds them from ASDA! give her an ASDA ASBO! BTW I think she lives in Innox road!
Posted by: Tony Durant, Trowbridge on 1:44pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons.
A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance.
We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her.
The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons.
A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance.
We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her.
The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
Posted by: Tony Durant, Trowbridge on 1:44pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons.
A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance.
We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her.
The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons.
A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance.
We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her.
The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
Posted by: Tony Durant, Trowbridge on 1:52pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others.
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others.
Posted by: Disgusted of, Westbury on 3:50pm Sun 30 Mar 08
There are pellets (can't remember what they are called now - pink things) that act very simlar to LSD in Humans. It destroys the Pigeons ability to find its way back to its feeding spot so it wanders off elsewhere. This might be worth trying and if it fails we can always flog the remaining pellets to Trowbridge Chavs.
There are pellets (can't remember what they are called now - pink things) that act very simlar to LSD in Humans. It destroys the Pigeons ability to find its way back to its feeding spot so it wanders off elsewhere. This might be worth trying and if it fails we can always flog the remaining pellets to Trowbridge Chavs.
Posted by: GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY on 9:50pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Tony Durant[/bold] wrote:
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons. A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance. We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her. The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved. [/quote] GETTING SLEEPY
Tony Durant wrote:
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons. A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance. We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her. The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
GETTING SLEEPY
Posted by: GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY on 9:51pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Tony Durant[/bold] wrote:
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons. A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance. We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her. The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved. [/quote] GETTING VERY VERY SLEEPY
Tony Durant wrote:
Sometimes it may be wise not to mention someones name for many reasons. A friend and I asked that one of the "pidgeon" feeders be given another chance on this occasion as we did when she was suspended from her job as she was seen by security men and was on cctv for the same thing. The reason we managed to get her job back was because we told the company and still have the emails that they themself could not reasonably sack her as they has large amounts of food exposed wich were feeding rats etc'.... Sadly instead of the woman realising we had helped her she got confused and thought we were against her. She told us she would kill herself and we would have been very upset to have seen that happen. Her mother was also a kind woman. It is good this article mentions the reason she was fined was because an officer reported her as we fear we would also wrongly get the blame again. We have never caused her any trouble and in fact have done all we can to make her understand the implications and to get her another chance. We believe totally that racism is wrong and of course the english should also be stopped from causing rats etc'.... The woman worked hard for many years and has a very nice side to her in that she helped many charities in this country and abroad and a large number of her family. I have seen her lifting snails off the pavement so they wont be stepped on and have seen a very kind side to her. Her husband, son and daughter are nice people and have I believe also tried to explain things to her. The article is a sensitive issue and on this occasion I applaud the paper for not mentioning the name of the woman. and I hope this will not be the end of the situation. God bless all involved.
GETTING VERY VERY SLEEPY
Posted by: GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY on 9:52pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Tony Durant[/bold] wrote:
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others. [/quote] TONY PLEASE SHUT UP...TO LATE I'M ASLEEP ZZZZZZZ
Tony Durant wrote:
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others.
TONY PLEASE SHUT UP...TO LATE I'M ASLEEP ZZZZZZZ
Posted by: GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY on 9:53pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Tony Durant[/bold] wrote:
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others. [/quote] AND YOU ALL THOUGHT THAT RUSSELL HAWKER WAFFLED ON THIS MAN COULD GIVE HIM A RUN FOR HIS COUNCIL EXPENSES CHEQUE!!!!!!
Tony Durant wrote:
I just wanted to add I meant to write I hope this will NOW be the end of the situation although I do hope it will not be the end of the situation in that I hope somewhere to feed birds can be found where rats cant get the food and where they are away from public buildings etc..... I myself could not shoot a bird and wish they could survive but maybe in woods etc;.... Its such a difficult situation and I believe Mar makes some good points in a quote on here as do others.
AND YOU ALL THOUGHT THAT RUSSELL HAWKER WAFFLED ON THIS MAN COULD GIVE HIM A RUN FOR HIS COUNCIL EXPENSES CHEQUE!!!!!!
Posted by: sarah jane newbury on 10:51pm Wed 2 Apr 08
Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either.
As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up.
Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either.
As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up.
Posted by: GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY on 11:26pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]sarah jane newbury[/bold] wrote:
Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either. As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up. [/quote] you would stick up for councillors wouldnt you...how is chris
sarah jane newbury wrote:
Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either. As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up.
you would stick up for councillors wouldnt you...how is chris
Posted by: sarah jane newbury on 11:06am Sun 6 Apr 08
[quote][bold]GSXRRRSP[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sarah jane newbury[/bold] wrote: Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either. As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up. [/quote] you would stick up for councillors wouldnt you...how is chris[/quote]
Fine thanks, although somewhat over worked, underpaid and underestimated.
GSXRRRSP wrote:
sarah jane newbury wrote: Thank you Tony for your comments about someone I know. Unfortunately I dont have time to write a thousand words on this important subject because I dont care what sarcastic comments may be written either. As for councillors' expenses what a pittance that is in the grand scale of things and they are no consolation for the ---- written by ---- who I wish would --- -------. How nice of you not to shut up.
you would stick up for councillors wouldnt you...how is chris
Fine thanks, although somewhat over worked, underpaid and underestimated.
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