he IS STILL a benefit cheat, although i feel sorry for him itdoes not excuse what he has knowingly done

he IS STILL a benefit cheat, although i feel sorry for him itdoes not excuse what he has knowingly done

He could have done permitted work for 52weeks and still got incapity benifit you can dla no matter how many hours you work.
I feel really sorry for him, but at the end of the day he cheated and got caught.

Mr Jones did a heroic and brave thing in 1992 and suffered a horrible injury during the process. However, there are many many people suffering after effects of tragedies - am I to assume that 'Disgusted' thinks it is, therefore, acceptable for all these individuals, should they so choose, to flout the law and defraud the country out of money to which they are not entitled? Fraud of this nature is THEFT and the person responsible knows very well that they are , in effect, stealing from other taxpayers, many of whom also work very hard for not much return ( and who possibly have sad pasts too!). I am sure Mr Jones is ashamed of his error and will learn from it. I wish him all the best for the future.

I am not condoning the benefit fraud BUT this man despite being seriously disabled probably mentally as well as physically after what he has been through has done more than most on benefits to try and get his life back together. There could surely have been alternatives to prosecution to help him when it was found out that he was not acting lawfully. A criminal conviction for fraud will hardly help the situation will it?

I look forward to those in a position to help him offering him a job now that he has proven that he is a bloke not afraid of hard w*rk.

you have all got to be joking he new what he was doing was wrong ,where do you think the money comes from to pay these people,now i know one of the reasons my tax is so high

ken land wrote:
you have all got to be joking he new what he was doing was wrong ,where do you think the money comes from to pay these people,now i know one of the reasons my tax is so high

You are a selfish ****. I am sure that John Jones would willingly pay your tax bill if he were able to get a job.

Disgusted of wrote:

ken land wrote: you have all got to be joking he new what he was doing was wrong ,where do you think the money comes from to pay these people,now i know one of the reasons my tax is so high

You are a selfish ****. I am sure that John Jones would willingly pay your tax bill if he were able to get a job.

come on John Jones could get a job, that why he got caught fidding benifits.
The story srrounding this is tragic.
but at the end of the day you can not go around stealing money from the goverment, because of a tragic incedent from your pass.

ronnie wrote:

Disgusted of wrote:

ken land wrote: you have all got to be joking he new what he was doing was wrong ,where do you think the money comes from to pay these people,now i know one of the reasons my tax is so high

You are a selfish ****. I am sure that John Jones would willingly pay your tax bill if he were able to get a job.

come on John Jones could get a job, that why he got caught fidding benifits. The story srrounding this is tragic. but at the end of the day you can not go around stealing money from the goverment, because of a tragic incedent from your pass.

Totally wrong. 'Benefit cheats' are ALWAYS caught when they do part time cash in hand w*rk that no one else will do such as pizza delivery work. These are NOT real jobs. Sure Mr Jones should have declared his income but what he has done is a p1ss in the ocean compared to where the real fraud lies i.e at government level. Cases like this are just taking attention away from where the real problem lies.

Do you think for one minute that you would really get a reduction in your income tax if all benefit fraud was stopped? It is laughable to suggest so. The money saved wouldn't end up in your pocket, it would end up in MP's pockets.

You could say he was caught with his fingers in the till

I cannot believe people are condoning benefit fraud. The majority have to work hard, pay high taxes and i do not want to be financially supporting thieves.

"ddp, wiltshire on 9:05pm today
I cannot believe people are condoning benefit fraud. The majority have to work hard, pay high taxes and i do not want to be financially supporting thieves."
And so say all of us!
To 'Disgusted':
"Totally wrong. 'Benefit cheats' are ALWAYS caught when they do part time cash in hand w*rk that no one else will do such as pizza delivery work. These are NOT real jobs."
Beware risk of liable action from Domino Pizza! They are a legitimate large company who doubtless do everything by the book - they dare not risk otherwise...
"look forward to those in a position to help him offering him a job now that he has proven that he is a bloke not afraid of hard w*rk."
Its commendable that Mr Jones is not afraid of hard work, just a shame he was simultaneously claiming benefit which supported the idea that he was not CAPABLE of any work!

Sally Beenwell;

"At Least the man tried to do a bit of honest work. We toss money away in other directions on tosspots like Heather Bully boy Sarh Local Brass Brussell. Costing us all a fortune to sit on his fat A.R.S.E all day Having a go at women and calling everyone else Morons. So i say good luck to the bloke."

Why oh why do you persist in referring EVERY news story you see fit to comment on as an excuse to personally insult a certain individual? Your attitude, personal attacks and unimaginative bad language do nothing to lower anyone's opinion of this person, but do exactly that for you. By the way, your language and personal insults which may detriment this person's public position are in direct contravention of the terms and conditions of this site and you are being reported accordingly.
Much appreciation for all the mature and well worded comments of other readers.

Interested reader wrote:
"ddp, wiltshire on 9:05pm today I cannot believe people are condoning benefit fraud. The majority have to work hard, pay high taxes and i do not want to be financially supporting thieves." And so say all of us! To 'Disgusted': "Totally wrong. 'Benefit cheats' are ALWAYS caught when they do part time cash in hand w*rk that no one else will do such as pizza delivery work. These are NOT real jobs." Beware risk of liable action from Domino Pizza! They are a legitimate large company who doubtless do everything by the book - they dare not risk otherwise... "look forward to those in a position to help him offering him a job now that he has proven that he is a bloke not afraid of hard w*rk." Its commendable that Mr Jones is not afraid of hard work, just a shame he was simultaneously claiming benefit which supported the idea that he was not CAPABLE of any work! Sally Beenwell; "At Least the man tried to do a bit of honest work. We toss money away in other directions on tosspots like Heather Bully boy Sarh Local Brass Brussell. Costing us all a fortune to sit on his fat A.R.S.E all day Having a go at women and calling everyone else Morons. So i say good luck to the bloke." Why oh why do you persist in referring EVERY news story you see fit to comment on as an excuse to personally insult a certain individual? Your attitude, personal attacks and unimaginative bad language do nothing to lower anyone's opinion of this person, but do exactly that for you. By the way, your language and personal insults which may detriment this person's public position are in direct contravention of the terms and conditions of this site and you are being reported accordingly. Much appreciation for all the mature and well worded comments of other readers.

"Beware risk of liable action from Domino Pizza!"

They are fully welcome to try it on and we'd see if they would say who they use for delivery personel and supply records.

But all you are doing in the end is reducing some poor sods take home bread and butter for their kids not their 2nd home publicly paid for contents of the fridge.

'Liable'? PMSL. Sleep tight

'Disgusted' and Sally Beenwell:

I am neither 'Russell' or 'Heather'.
Interesting, as alway,s that both of you fall by the wayside so quickly and end up rambling about something totally unconnected to the original news item.
To recap for your benefit;
the news item was about benefit fraud, not politicians and the perks they (rightly or wrongly) enjoy.
Incidentally, yes, some people do exert their right to vote at local and general elections. That is how democracy works. We each have the right to demonstrate our opinion by who we vote for. Those who are elected are inevitably not necessarily everybody's choice. Nonetheless, those voted to represent us at local and national level are at least doing something, not just complaining!
Clearly Westbury is blessed with a glut of impassioned people, may I suggest you all use this wonderful intellectual energy you have for positive purposes rather than just complaining about what those in office are achieving - or not? Maybe 'Disgusted' and Sally Beenwell should stand for local election and really make a difference instead of talking about it?

IR says "Interesting, as alway,s that both of you fall by the wayside so quickly and end up rambling about something totally unconnected to the original news item.
" I couldn't agree more! We starts out discussing rhubarb, and ends up on welly-boots. Tis nowt but rambling waffle!

Cor there's an idea but I think Sally is a bit too young to stand yet. She can put the leaflets in peoples letter boxes.

VOTE DISGUSTED - VOTE DISGUSTED - VOTE DISGUSTED

Now how much expenses can I claim?

Of course this makes a mockery of the incapacity benefits system. Having no fingers on one hand does not stop you working.

MrOldTownRed wrote:
Of course this makes a mockery of the incapacity benefits system. Having no fingers on one hand does not stop you working.

Indeed. When will you be offering him a job then?

his minor disability would not stop him getting many jobs. His recent conviction on the other hand (pun intended) may?

MrOldTownRed wrote:
his minor disability would not stop him getting many jobs. His recent conviction on the other hand (pun intended) may?

Eh? What planet are you on? The guy has got one good hand. That would SERIOUSLY stop him doing many jobs.

MrOldTownRed wrote:
his minor disability would not stop him getting many jobs. His recent conviction on the other hand (pun intended) may?

Anwser the question. When are you going to offer Mr Johns a job?

well it doesn't stop him cleaning or delivering pizza (driving). I work in IT which wouldn't be a problem, most office / retail would be ok. Incapacity should mean what it says.

MrOldTownRed wrote:
well it doesn't stop him cleaning or delivering pizza (driving). I work in IT which wouldn't be a problem, most office / retail would be ok. Incapacity should mean what it says.

He can hardly pay his rent/mortgage with the proceeds a delivering pizzas or sweeping floors can he?

no, that is why we have tax credits etc to top up the pay of workers on low pay. We also have a minimum wage.

You seem to be saying that it's ok to steal if you haven't got much money??

I pay 3-4K a month in personal tax and ni and would like that money spent wisely!

I totally agree with all the comments posted by MrOldTownRed.
I fail to comprehend how or why 'Disgusted' still defends the illegal actions of a man who was clearly capable of paid employment but chose to rob others in the community by fraudulently claiming INCAPACITY benefit. Either this is all too close to home for 'Disgusted', hence his/her empathy...or he/she really is just a whopping great hypocrite as he/she is always first in the queue to launch accusations of people in public office claiming monies to which he/she feels they are not entitled.....even though they LEGALLY are entitled to these monies. Does 'Disgusted' consider him/herself above the law of this land?
I still stand by my earlier comments that Mr Jones will hopefully have learned well from this and that he can now put it behind him and look forward to a happier future. Many people make mistakes and this is one that has not done anyone any actual harm and Mr Jones is to be punished accordingly. British justice at its best

Disgusted of wrote:

MrOldTownRed wrote: well it doesn't stop him cleaning or delivering pizza (driving). I work in IT which wouldn't be a problem, most office / retail would be ok. Incapacity should mean what it says.

He can hardly pay his rent/mortgage with the proceeds a delivering pizzas or sweeping floors can he?

I can hardly pay my mortgage because im paying for benefit cheats. Its time to get real; if you can work you are not entitled - why is it so difficult for some to comprehend that. There are people out there with much greater need but go without, why - because they are honest.

Well, I fully agree with ''Disgusted'' on this one. It seems some of you have no compassion left in your brain washed heads of yours.
This man suffered a horrendous tragedy, he will probably never be the same person again. Does that touch any of you at all? Imagine yourself in his shoes. Many people top themselves for less than that, yet this man, even with a VERY REAL disability has kept going and has the desire to work. At College for my Diploma in Social Care we had to do one Home Ec lesson with one hand tied behind our back. I suggest for all those of you who seem to think working for this man would be easy, that you try this. It is more restrictive than you think. Little tasks can be difficult to manage and time consuming.
It seems some of you have no compassion left in you, Disgusted clearly empathises with others. He does not seem to be condoning this mans actions, but he can see that he is just a human being who made the wrong choice in a very difficult scenario.

How does the saying go?> ''Never judge a man til you have walked a mile in his shoes''

And yes I also agree, that there are millions of decent, honest people who go without and who struggle daily, carers of family and friends etc. No one to blame apart from the people running the Country. The rich just get richer and the poor get poorer.
None of them in Government give a ****.

The word d a m n was edited there.

Vote with your X's

When things swing too far one way, you need to swing to the other extreme just to create the required balance.

Theres no smooth way back from where this country is. Extreme measures required?

Anchovies on mine Mr Jones.