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Paedophile Burrows gets eight years
1:01pm Friday 2nd May 2008
Comments (40)SERIAL paedophile Simon Burrows was jailed for eight years today at Swindon Crown Court.
Burrows, 44, admitted 36 child sex offences, which took place while he was general manager at Bumble Bees Nursery in Steeple Ashton, which has since closed.
Appearing in court for sentencing, Burrows stayed with his head bowed and never once looked up at people in the court room, who included family members of the children he had abused.
Judge Douglas Field said: "You are a dangerous predatory paedophile. You groomed and manipulated children and their families to satisfy your perverted sexual demands."
Full reaction in next week's Wiltshire Times.
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english bulldog, sin-city says...
3:42pm Fri 2 May 08
D3-S1LVA, Trowbridge says...
4:14pm Fri 2 May 08
westburygirl, westbury says...
5:29pm Fri 2 May 08
hopefully this result means that the families concerned can now concentrate o ntheir children properly and they all can get the help that they need and deserve..
one wonders how the nursery got passed in police checks and al that.... i kno they can take some time to implement..but surely our childrens weel being are of uptmost importance !!
anon, wiltshire says...
6:01pm Fri 2 May 08
A parent
hte, westbury says...
6:10pm Fri 2 May 08
Bob, Paxcroft City says...
6:38pm Fri 2 May 08
And he will serve at least 8 years.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
6:53pm Fri 2 May 08
It's as I said with the delivery driver fiasco a few days ago. The most dangerous paedophiles will usually be found working INSIDE the premises.
GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY says...
7:53pm Fri 2 May 08
THIS MAN IS A FIRST CLASS SICK PERV WHO NEEDS HIS BOLLO*CKS RIPPING OFF BUT THE *****R WILL GET EASY EIGHT YEARS OF LIVING AND A PAROLE OFFICER THAT WILL BE AT HIS BECK AND CALL WHEN HE GETS OUT IT MAKES ME SICK CHUCK HIM IN THE MAIN PRISON AND NOT THE PERVS WING WITH PERV WRITTEN ON HIS FOREHEAD AND LET THE OTHER INMATES LOSE ON HIM!!!
maz, Trowbridge says...
10:04pm Fri 2 May 08
Russell Hawker, WESTBURY says...
11:04pm Fri 2 May 08
Life imprisonment of scum like this costs far too much.
Bring back hanging for the most despicable of criminals including proven paedophiles ( I do not mean the sickos who look a child **** as that is arguably not in itself actual criminal paedophilia which is the commiting of sex acts with children themselves
Russell Hawker, WESTBURY says...
11:05pm Fri 2 May 08
CC, Wiltshire says...
10:16am Sat 3 May 08
However, the people who contribute to abuse by viewing child abuse images on the internet are nearly as bad. A child has to have been abused to provide the images for these people to view. It is a different offence I realise that, but the fact that they have got the images should mean they are punished severely, before they 'progress' on to live victims.
I hope the survivors (not the word rather than 'victim')from this case get all the support they need now and in the future when they are adults themselves.
Russell Hawker, WESTBURY says...
11:08am Sat 3 May 08
I agree with all you say.
I was making a distinction between:
1. actual peadophiles who have sexually molested children and who deserve to be exterminated,
AND;
2. the sickos who look a kiddie p o r n who may have a problem which needs treatment, but who have not themselves actually physically touched a child in the wrong way.
I do think there is a difference between thinking about something and actually committing the crime of paedophilia.
Obviously, looking at kiddie p o r n supports the nasty bastards who take the pictures and this is itself a crime, but looking and the kiddie p o r n and helping the criminal who take the pictures (via payment etc) is not itself the criminal act of abusing the children by taking the photos or undertaking sexual molestation. If a sicko who looks at kiddie p o r n has acted as a distributor or has himself taken inappropriate photos for kiddie p o r n purposes then that is obviously verging on paedophilia.
I am simply saying that the sickos who just have looked at the pictures, but who have not molested children themselves and who have had nothing to do creating and distributing the photos are not actually paedophiles in the correct meaning of the word and I would not call for them to be exterminated in the same way as proven paedophiles who have actually fiddled with children.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
12:36pm Sat 3 May 08
Strangely taking/distributing indecent images wasnt illegal until 1979.
There is a one in 500 Million chance that this guy could be innocent (yeah unlikely I know) but this reason is the sole one that I am against capital punishment for this or any other crime.
Get it right, westbury says...
9:35pm Sat 3 May 08
Get it right, westbury says...
9:37pm Sat 3 May 08
j, trowbridge says...
12:23pm Sun 4 May 08
But you got to ask
how did a sicko like that get a job working with kids in the first place with all the checks you are ment to go though
CC, Wiltshire says...
12:39pm Sun 4 May 08
It's just worrying that there are so many people out there willing to buy these images, and how many then go on to the real thing as a result.
J - I doubt if this chap had a conviction already so it would not show up on the yearly CRB checks.
I suspect he was a 'viewer', as described above, until he had ready access to (and 'progressed' onto) actual children. If he was that calculated I suspect he hid his urges well until that point.
Long may he stay locked up.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
1:22pm Sun 4 May 08
CC wrote:
I see what you're saying Russell. It's just worrying that there are so many people out there willing to buy these images, and how many then go on to the real thing as a result. J - I doubt if this chap had a conviction already so it would not show up on the yearly CRB checks. I suspect he was a 'viewer', as described above, until he had ready access to (and 'progressed' onto) actual children. If he was that calculated I suspect he hid his urges well until that point. Long may he stay locked up.
You are totally wrong CC. Only in 'sting' operations such as Operation Ore are these images bought and sold via 'honey trap' web sites set up by the authorities.
Thousands - probably Millions - of these images are freely available to anyone with a computer and an Internet connection via free p-2-p programmes such as Emule. As such cleaning the Internet of them will be almost - if not totally - impossible. The authorities can do little to stem the tide of this filth and the only time that they come to light is when police investigate a suspect for other activities and stumble across images on their pc. I have no doubt that poilce would have checked his computers but did not see any reports of charges for indecent images and doubt that the CPS would have simply let it go had their been any so doubt if Burrows was a viewer as you suggest.
Dare I also suggest that if he had of been and therefore had an outlet for his problems that he might have not progressed to the stage that he did? I.e you are looking at the problem back to front.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
2:16pm Sun 4 May 08
Russell Hawker wrote:
CC I agree with all you say. I was making a distinction between: 1. actual peadophiles who have sexually molested children and who deserve to be exterminated, AND; 2. the sickos who look a kiddie p o r n who may have a problem which needs treatment, but who have not themselves actually physically touched a child in the wrong way. I do think there is a difference between thinking about something and actually committing the crime of paedophilia. Obviously, looking at kiddie p o r n supports the nasty bastards who take the pictures and this is itself a crime, but looking and the kiddie p o r n and helping the criminal who take the pictures (via payment etc) is not itself the criminal act of abusing the children by taking the photos or undertaking sexual molestation. If a sicko who looks at kiddie p o r n has acted as a distributor or has himself taken inappropriate photos for kiddie p o r n purposes then that is obviously verging on paedophilia. I am simply saying that the sickos who just have looked at the pictures, but who have not molested children themselves and who have had nothing to do creating and distributing the photos are not actually paedophiles in the correct meaning of the word and I would not call for them to be exterminated in the same way as proven paedophiles who have actually fiddled with children.
Tut tut Russell. You should know better than this. Paedophilia is not a 'crime'.
hte, westbury says...
7:15pm Sun 4 May 08
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
7:49pm Sun 4 May 08
hte wrote:
he didnt just do it to children at the nursery, he made friends with families where he lived and him and his wife used to offer to babysit for some of them. why wouldnt you trust a person to look after your kids that ran a nursery? he was a very clever sick perverted **** and i hope he rots in prison.
Another excellent reason for NOT invoking the death penalty. Burrows cannot suffer and 'rot in prison' if he were to be killed.
GSXRRRSP, WESTBURY says...
10:00pm Sun 4 May 08
Disgusted of wrote:why do you seem to be sticking up for this perv!!!!
hte wrote: he didnt just do it to children at the nursery, he made friends with families where he lived and him and his wife used to offer to babysit for some of them. why wouldnt you trust a person to look after your kids that ran a nursery? he was a very clever sick perverted **** and i hope he rots in prison.Another excellent reason for NOT invoking the death penalty. Burrows cannot suffer and 'rot in prison' if he were to be killed.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
10:07pm Sun 4 May 08
I'm not sticking up for anyone. Where did I say that I was?
YetiJoe, Trow says...
10:26pm Sun 4 May 08
There are so many deserving people suffering terribly in the world, children with no hope, no clean water, child soldiers and we all know I could go on and on.
It is SICKER when a decadent rotting society will use valuable tax monies to keep total scum like this alive to NO USEFUL END!
Use them for human drug testing, then throw the corpses into the furnace.
I am so, so sick of the twisted world we are beginning to live in. Justice must try to protect the innocent from harm, but when there is clear corroborated evidence that puts it beyond doubt, not just reasonable doubt, then screw their human rights, they lose them.
Now I can calm down and get off my high ground ;)
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
10:44pm Sun 4 May 08
It is just as sick to spend more than what nonces cost to keep bombing Iraqi kids to bits and would be just just as perverse to have a cheap execution bill and more money to spend on the bombs to kill and maim even more unless anyone can tell me that blowing kids arms and legs off isn't 'child abuse' so long as the kids are wogs?
Concerned Citizen, Westbury says...
10:32am Mon 5 May 08
I truly wish he could spend the rest of his days watching his back and absolutely terrified.
The people directly affected by this scum will NEVER be able to forget what he has done.
CC, Wiltshire says...
12:30pm Mon 5 May 08
quoteDare I also suggest that if he had of been and therefore had an outlet for his problems that he might have not progressed to the stage that he did? I.e you are looking at the problem back to front.
quote
My point was about the CRB checks - I'm more than aware of what's available on the internet. Someone asked how he'd been allowed to work with kids. If he was a viewer, not yet convicted of posessing images, then it wouldn't show up on the CRB.
How can that be 'looking at it back to front'?
It's the law. CRB's are only valid at the time they are done. If someone is charged, then convicted of any crime during the few months after, then it won't show until the next check.
Anyone who has any sense is aware that SOMETIMES people with the same 'urges' as this man, are not satisfied for long by just looking at pictures. You are simplisticly looking at it in black & white, not the many shades of grey in between the viewing and then acting on these urges themselves.
In this case I'm sure if he'd had images then there would've been more charges - or he didn't use his own computer.
Either way, he's locked up for a while and won't be able to damage anymore children - or be in a position to work closely with them again.
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
1:53pm Mon 5 May 08
That simply cannot be true. Very few people are charged or jailed for downloading these images and it is still a very rare offense yet there are Millions of these images available for free on the Internet.
The figures simply don't add up. Either very few people are downloading them (unlikely) or the images are indeed enough to satisfy the needs of those whose minds for whatever reason are leaning that way. The main problem with the latter scenario of course is that a child has indeed still been abused along the line however remotely but the fundemental logic is that most viewers do NOT go on to abuse children any more than a half pint of beer drinker goes on to become a meths' drinker. As I have said there was no mention of any indecent images on Burrows computers and I am 100% certain that the police will have looked so I doubt very much that he got the idea of abusing kids from photos'.
Have a look at Vanity Fair this month. There is a photo' of a naked 15 year old girl in it in a provocative pose. Child abuse surely and encouragment for men to leer after and attack young girls if the indecent image theory is correct?
Jake, Bath says...
4:50am Tue 6 May 08
anon, SE says...
6:37pm Tue 6 May 08
Disgusted of, Westbury says...
7:28pm Tue 6 May 08
anon wrote:
I hope the parent who responded earlier is correct and Simon Burrows will not be a concern to parents in Wiltshire (or anywhere else) for many years to come. As a parent myself I come to a very hard place when trying to reconcile my liberal tendencies with paedophilia. I always fail, and can only go along with the extreme measures suggested. Yep, off with his knackers or (better) kill the pervert before he f***s with more children's lives.
Paedophilia does not occur in the knackers. It occurs about 3 feet higher in the brain. I suppose cutting that out with a rusty knife might stop a particular offender but it won't do a **** thing to stop more taking their place.
The only chance of stopping it is to examine the brain of offenders while it is living to try and find what the cause is. Maybe then and only then is there likely to be any chance of a 'cure' or prevention.
anon, SE says...
7:55pm Tue 6 May 08
OK, point taken - knacker removal/execution reduces the likelihood of re-offending but doesn't get to "why". If you don't mind I'll bow out here because I KNOW I have no answers any more than you do. People like Simon B are very hard to understand - it's beyond you and me? All I can do is be aware people like him are around - do my best to remember it and keep family safe. And hope he gets a hard / long time inside.
Anon
anon, SE says...
7:56pm Tue 6 May 08
OK, point taken - knacker removal/execution reduces the likelihood of re-offending but doesn't get to "why". If you don't mind I'll bow out here because I KNOW I have no answers any more than you do. People like Simon B are very hard to understand - it's beyond you and me? All I can do is be aware people like him are around - do my best to remember it and keep family safe. And hope he gets a hard / long time inside.
Anon
YetiJoe, Trow says...
10:23pm Tue 6 May 08
Deviation from topic? We can debate all sorts of ways to spend tax monies, many of which are wrong. I'm simply suggesting keeping people like burrows alive for "study" serves no purpose.
I even agree about the deaths of innocents through war (always the case), but that is a whole other debate.
Drug tests and then death. His life (or death) may then recompense for his actions.
YetiJoe, Trow says...
10:26pm Tue 6 May 08
To use your lovely language, wogs kill wogs too. Mmmm lets think, Rwanda, Somalia, Cambodia, what about Stalin while we are at it?
The war was about oil. We need it, they have it. Realpolitik time when the lights might go out and we can't drive to work any more?
DILLIGAF, Westbury says...
3:39pm Wed 7 May 08
YetiJoe wrote:
And please save the effort to brand the war as racist, i.e. if you supported it you support a racist war. To use your lovely language, wogs kill wogs too. Mmmm lets think, Rwanda, Somalia, Cambodia, what about Stalin while we are at it? The war was about oil. We need it, they have it. Realpolitik time when the lights might go out and we can't drive to work any more?
Yes you will have to walk or ride a bike. Terrible hard life it will be eh?
Jake, Bath says...
11:38am Thu 8 May 08
YetiJoe wrote:Pedophiles can be used to review interview video of suspects to see if their lying on the basis that it takes one to know one. A group of pedophiles in jail have other earning potential and professioinal skills. I think we should concentrate on keeping them away from children while appreciating that either their level of guilt may not be what we think it is or that they are on appeal found to be inocent and you can't re-attach someone's long lost knackers :) Lol
It is just as sick to spend more than what nonces cost to keep bombing Iraqi kids to bits
Deviation from topic? We can debate all sorts of ways to spend tax monies, many of which are wrong. I'm simply suggesting keeping people like burrows alive for "study" serves no purpose.
I even agree about the deaths of innocents through war (always the case), but that is a whole other debate.
Drug tests and then death. His life (or death) may then recompense for his actions.
YetiJoe, Trow says...
8:37pm Thu 8 May 08
Other potential and skills. Who gives a **** about that!?
Are you a highly paid psychologist who wants to write a book about one of these people to prove some academic credentials perhaps? Let's save us the bother and expense please.
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Necker, Trowbridge says...
2:16pm Fri 2 May 08
They should have locked him in a room with all the parents, turned their backs just for 5 minutes...
Justice would have been served then.