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Trowbridge's Civic Hall revamp bill rockets to £5m


Trowbridge Town Council is pressing ahead with plans to redevelop the Civic Hall despite the costs for the project now having risen from an initial £2 million to nearly £5 million.

The total projected cost for the project, which would see all but the main Lansdown Hall demolished and a new two-storey building created around it, providing offices for the town council, the Tourist Information Centre and improvements to the venue and function suite, is now £4.9 million. The council plans to borrow the full amount for the build in the form of a 50-year loan, using £422,000 from the Civic Buildings Fund for fees.

At a meeting on Tuesday, councillors voted to submit a planning application, carry out a full public consultation at the West Wilts Show detailing the plans, costs and business plan and voted not to move to any further until they had received feedback from the public. Councillors heard concerns from groups, including the West Wilts U3A, who use the Civic Hall, who outlined their anxieties about the hall being closed for at least 12 months while the work went on.

Town clerk Lance Allen said: “We will be going ahead with a planning application in the next couple of weeks. The reason for the cost increasing are additions that we have put into the building and the methods of construction that will be used. We need to demolish the existing building and relay the foundations.

“All of our forecasting shows that over the 20 years it will cost on average 8p per week for the average Band D household in the town.

“We have only been able to get more accurate costings as we go through the design process and it’s not until the last couple of weeks that we’ve had more accurate costings.”

Mayor Jeff Osborn said: “We are still looking at cutting the costs back further. There is generally a feeling that we have just got to get on with it – it’s showing a committment to Trowbridge.”

But Cllr Graham Payne, who did not attend the meeting, said: “This whole project has more than doubled in cost in six weeks. If they are minded to continue with this grandiose scheme another town meeting or a referendum should be called.”

Len Haysom, chairman of the West Wilts U3A, which uses the hall, said: “I am concerned because we use the Civic Hall for monthly meetings, as we have outgrown all the other halls in the area.

“I asked what provisions were being made for clubs while the hall was closed and nothing was said other than ‘I’m sure we will be able to provide you with somewhere’.

“The Longfield Hall was suggested but we have used it once before and there just isn’t enough room and there are no amplification facilities.

“They are saying the Civic Hall will close for 12 months but they are planning for it to be closed for up to 14 months. If we couldn’t find another venue that was so central and convenient for our members then I think it would threaten our membership levels.”


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blamethebiscuits, trowbridge says...
5:09pm Fri 3 Jul 09

Mad. Idiotic. Badly timed. Self-serving. Imprudent. An action about to be taken by a load of old people who will shuffle off leaving their debts to be shouldered by the children of the recession. And it's not as if everybody uses the Civic Hall! I never go near it.

D@ve, Trowbridge says...
5:09pm Fri 3 Jul 09

£5m what a total waste of money, cant wait to get to the west wilts show and tell them exactly how I feel!

How about investing in something actually needed like sport pitches!

Stanley park in Chippenham cost just under £2m to complete, there is already money available from developers in the town to put towards this so im sure the council only need to find £1m - £1.3m plus any funds and grants from sports councils, the FA, RFU etc will also lower the amount this council needs to find.

No one in the town wants £5m spent on this, not one person! How much longer are this self centred council going to ignore the real needs of the people of Trowbridge!

If it goes ahead I hope their jobs are put on the line.

Utter Joke!

howcomethatdoesntsurpriseme, trowbotown says...
5:19pm Fri 3 Jul 09

Only five million ? - chump change really eh? And they're going to *borrow* the money - and who'll be responsible for paying back the loan then? That's right - you, the taxpayer - and what does the taxpayer get ?

A tourist information centre - got one of those already

Council Office - Ditto

Underused function space - subsidised by the taxpayer

Really - this is woeful and - "showing a commitment to Trowbridge" that's got a hollow echo on it...

Dreadful waste of money and a display of civic conceit that's breathtaking.

No imagination - gah! woeful.

If they had a decent scheme I don't think I'd be the only Trowbridge resident to stump up £142.50 for a share which is what they're asking this week - however their 'rithmetic seems wanting which isn't a good sign.....

howcomethatdoesntsurpriseme, trowbotown says...
5:24pm Fri 3 Jul 09

˙sʇıɾpı ǝןqısuodsǝɹɹı ƃuıʇsɐʍ ʎǝuoɯ snodɯod ' ssǝןǝsn

Mr.Right, Hilperton says...
7:14pm Fri 3 Jul 09

So Trobridge folk, what are you going to do about it? Yes nothing, just complain.

Why dont you get yourself to the office to show your objections?

howcomethatdoesntsurpriseme, trowbotown says...
8:21am Sat 4 Jul 09

Tom Rothschild for Myor of Trowbridge?

That'd put the cat amongst a few overfed pidgeons :-)

blamethebiscuits, trowbridge says...
12:25pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Mr Right reckons we should get down to the Town Council in person. Come off it Mr Right. Have you seen Lance Allen the Town Clerk? He's built like a brick wall. He wasn't hired exclusively to write the minutes, you know. He's their protection. He sure scares me plenty.

blamethebiscuits, trowbridge says...
12:29pm Sat 4 Jul 09

And while I'm thinking about it, that Carlton Brand up at Wiltshire Council is another scary hombre.

New 2 Trow, Trowbridge says...
12:55pm Mon 6 Jul 09


Why submit a planning application THEN do a public consultation?

This is backwards as they will already have spent thousands on the application and no matter what the public says they will then argue that 'too much money has already been spent...'

Town clerk Lance Allen – stupid quote of the millennium: -

“All of our forecasting shows that over the 20 years it will cost on average 8p per week for the average Band D household in the town."

This equates to £416 per year and £8320 over 20 years. HOW DARE YOU SPEND MY MONEY IN THIS MANNER???????

How many of us can afford £416 a year never mind £8320?




blamethebiscuits, trowbridge says...
2:32pm Mon 6 Jul 09

I think you erroneously got the decimal point two places to the right New2Trow. 8p a week equals £4.16 a year so over 20 years it would be £83.20 for a Band D house.

New 2 Trow, Trowbridge says...
4:10pm Mon 6 Jul 09

Ha! I could get a job working for Mr Madoff or calculating MP's expenses!

Nick Taken, Trowbridge says...
4:14pm Mon 6 Jul 09

This was spiralling to 4 million from 2 million a month or so back... now it's 5 million.

The truth be known, the government has flooded the cities (not the country) with money we could not afford. Rather than tax us more and face the resulting revolution, they make sure projects cost more.

5 million to do this work?
It will cost 1 million or much less, the rest they literally 'burn' !! taking it back out of the economy and indirectly taxing us all anyway.

The taxes we pay now, and the raised taxes in the future will go straight into the furnace.
This is how they get it back.

You will still have plenty of un furnaced dosh in the cities for them to squander, thats for sure.

blamethebiscuits, trowbridge says...
7:13pm Mon 6 Jul 09

When I studied economics Nick Taken's theory was not thoroughly covered. Let's see: the taxes go in the furnace...and the govt get the money back out of the furnace...but there is also unfurnaced dosh that isn't literally burned. It's a trick question, isn't it? Like why are diamonds more valuable than coal when you can't use diamonds for combustion? Tricky subject.

Nick Taken, Trowbridge says...
8:09pm Mon 6 Jul 09

LOL, they should have covered the area of how you destroy money injected into an economy to slow down the velocity of money amongst a measurable population.


howcomethatdoesntsurpriseme, trowbotown says...
12:40am Tue 7 Jul 09

OK - it's easy:
£5000000
divided by roughly the population of Trowbridge (35000)

=£142.85 for a share in a communal leisure centre run by a competent outfit like erm... Centre Parcs? Bet they can't borrow "magic" money like this.

These sʇoıpı ƃuıʞɔnɟ have fouled up everything they've had their hands on for years and are now looking to pillage your taxes to pump up their own sense of municipal self importance.

It STINKS massively.

Yes - you do detect a hint of anger there....

Nick Taken, Trowbridge says...
11:31am Tue 7 Jul 09

howcomethatdoesntsur
priseme
wrote:
OK - it's easy: £5000000 divided by roughly the population of Trowbridge (35000) =£142.85 for a share in a communal leisure centre run by a competent outfit like erm... Centre Parcs? Bet they can't borrow "magic" money like this. These sʇoıpı ƃuıʞɔnɟ have fouled up everything they've had their hands on for years and are now looking to pillage your taxes to pump up their own sense of municipal self importance. It STINKS massively. Yes - you do detect a hint of anger there....
Elegantly put and smacks you in the face howcome.

The staggering point is that this is but one project. so if you used the same logic with everything else, where is the money coming from?
And, more alarmingly, does it even exist?

howcomethatdoesntsurpriseme, trowbotown says...
5:38pm Wed 8 Jul 09

Oh yes - and while I'm at it - the new way that "precepts" (the tax divvy / split) are allocated now means that although "Wiltshire Council" itself must abide by the central rules for the amount of tax charged - there's no statutory limit on what the new towns and parishes can stick you for - snuck that one by most folk I think.....


Expect much more trouble in this department

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