Nandos is first treat to come (From Wiltshire Times)

Prezzo,Im sure Angus Horner assured us they were contracted to the doomed Bowyers site application along with Frankie & Bennys ,maybe they also will jump ship to the terra firma of St Stephens place.

Seems the lies and false promises of Prorsus will start to show ever more in the public eye now.

Just a shame Angus had to involve so many good people along the way, and some that really just should have known better.

Is there much point in continuing with the appeal in February? Cineworld are no longer a part of it and its now official that Prezzo aren't, only Frankie & Bennie's left to show how worthless so called contracts are without planning permission.

Atleast this means Morrisons & the Council can stop wasting there time with hogwash plans and get on with something worthwhile for the Bowyers site.

Oh and the ground workers are doing quite well over at SSP aren't they.

This time next year Rodney...

Well said PCS.Now the reality of SSP is clearly visible support for bowyers is on a massive decline .Noone ever wanted a Morrisons superstore taking over 75% of that site to leave less than 25% to be a duplicate of SSP.Lets now get an application in and passed to give a wanted and much needed variation .

Great news... Please can we get a Wagamama on board too? Yep, beggars,choosers...

Wagamama,PIzza Express,Franky & Bennys,Ask , Bella Italia. Pizza Hut ,Strada,Real China.Cafe Rouge,. The possibilities are endless.

Yo Sushi ???????????????

Who would AMVanquish007 and D@ve like to see in the restaurants ????

Gotta love the enthusiasm...

I do wonder when Prorsus will make it public knowledge that their plans are no more. Hopefully before the planning inspectorate turns up and wastes more public money.

With Morrisons taking up 80% of the Bowyers site the only possible place to put the petrol station really would be where the proposed Cineworld was sited - better to have a petrol station than ANOTHER cinema wouldn't you say? How about the remaining listed buildings, anyone have any good ideas for those? I never did think they would lend themselves to becoming restaurants although not impossible I suppose. What with the St Stephen's Place Development now becoming populated sense may prevail and those building should be put to use that will compliment the town - maybe a couple of restaurants but not all.

Congratulations to the Wiltshire Times for printing an article about St Stephens Place without mentioning Bowyers Development plans.

I can't say I'm surprised to see the usual Pro Cineworld guys and gals have nothing to say.

I have plenty to say but will wait for the parking situation to fail before i post to say told you so

110 car parking spaces, should be intresting on a saturday, or during the school holidays, or is SSP just for the people who can walk there, and not the people from out of town that the developement needs to survive?

So 1300 car parking spaces within a ten minute walk, no different to Bath.

Atleast the Odeon site has 110 dedicated car parking spaces, the Odeon site in Bath has none.

If town is heaving on a Saturday and there are queues of traffic waiting to get into the centre - well this is not unlike Bristol, Cribbs, my home town of Worcester and I think this would be regarded as success not failure guys.

To UpnUnder/PCS/GP and JK--i am pleased to announce that the Bowyers Site aka Innox Riverside will be presented on Feb 5th 2013 to the planning inspectorate and INTACT.
Cineworld have confirmed they are still on board and you will find it in their annual report issued at the end of september 2012 that Trowbridge is still part of their ambitious plans.
So thats that !!!!!!!
Contracts are still contracts by the way.
And PCS- the Odeon does not have 110 dedicated spaces-it is for the use of restaurants and the hotel too or are you blind.
Also what 1300 spaces?
Are you including Tescos with their 600 odd--i think not!!! -
So they have agreed to take on cinemagoers in their free car park have they? When was that agreed with the council and L and G and
became public knowledge.
Watch out for ANPR camras with a 2 hour limit being imposed if that happens.
If you were to use your eyes every day last week when the kids were off you will have seen the multistorey rammed all day til 6pm and court street and lovemead car parks -even Sainsburys/Asda ,the Shires and Tescos were heaving and that was by 11am daily-and you can say goodbye to the WCC car park which has 42 dedicated library spaces and which is being used by council employees. Why? because all the car parking space for them has been cut-and hundreds of council employees will be occupying county hall at the end of november from all the satellite offices which are closing.Doesnt take an idiot to determine whats going to happen to all those employees that are coming from a distance to work by car in the new county hall. You can draw a parallel with the cinema in that respect.
What do you think would have happened to all those people and families who wanted to see Skyfall that would have been on 3 big screens in the Odeon had it of opened and Madagascar 3 on 2 screens.
1000 people coming every 3 hours and 1000 people trying to leave-lets not forget a large percentage wanting to stay to eat. Result-no car parking spaces whatsoever.
PCS this is NOT Bath-it is entirely different-and this is totally recognized by all cinema exhibitors in the industry that I know.
So stop using it as an example-its a FOOT TRAFFIC SITE and was designed as such.There are 3 car parks of over 1000 spaces within one minutes walk of the Odeon in Bath especially in Corn Street but you still have to pay in the evening and thats the difference-unlike Trowbridge which is the advantage-AT THE MOMENT.

Answer me one thing Mike Baxter - The bowyers site car parking arrangements - if you apply the same figures you just have for the Odeon to the Bowyers site - where does everyone including Morrison's customers park?

In fact I was corrected today - the actual figure for car parking spaces within a ten minute walk of the Odeon is 3100 (I'll get the information for that tomorrow) . As for Bath the only free evening car park is the Southgate car park which I used on Sunday. As for the Odeon in Bath why does it have to be specifically designated as foot traffic area in order for you to expect people to park ten minutes walk away? Why can this not apply to Trowbridge? I really don't know where you can put 3000 cars within a one minute walk of the Bath Odeon? Where are these car parks?

You've said it before that the peak hours for cinemas is evening based so that does in fact free up the council car park, lovemead and the multi storey car park. The 6 weeks of the year when they are busy during the day because of school holidays (I know colleges have longer holidays but surely the actual peak are when both schools and colleges are on hols) - well I think people are smarter than you give them credit for and I really don't think they will have a problem parking within a suitable walking distance - but seeing as the Odeon is actually being built then we will find out summer 2014 won't we. The car parks during the day are equally as busy in Bath as Trowbridge during the day - this is comparable regardless of your need to say otherwise.

We know the date for the appeal was given weeks ago but that doesn't mean it will happen Mike - I reckon we'll know for sure by Christmas.

wasnt looking for war and peace again just wondered on your preference for restaurants on ssp , any of the ones Angus told us were contracted to the ill fated bowyers application ?

Three other national restaurant chains are near to completion of contracts on old tesco site ,the smart money is betting one of them is another Angus would like us to believe is contracted to the stricken innox mill debacle .

Pcs does your figure pf 3100 include all the parking that will be available for free in all the side streets witin ten minutes walk of SSP? bet the locals will be fine with that !!!! The 110 decicated spaces for the SSP site to be used for all developments (Are you MAD) it aint gonna be enough. The old Tesco car park was rammed all hours and that was for a SMALL Tesco store.

Yeah yeah whatever. Will believe it when I see you it. Trowbridge the county town of Wiltshire has been a joke for years. Moved away 15 years ago and have never regretted it.

PCS-I said 3 car parks of over 1000 spaces- i was meaning a grand total not 3 individual car parks of a 1000 each.
There is Green Park station car park which can be used by all and is a paying car park-the car park in Corn Street which is a multi storey and has had car parking detached at ground level - and the 3rd car park opposite the cinema too.Just look on Google Earth from a height and you will see all the car parking. It all adds up plus the single yellows on side streets too.Not too many single yellows in immediate proximity to Trowbridge SSP now is there.I certainly wont be too pleased (as a resident) if cinema traffic parks up around west ashton, longfield and dursley roads taking up the residents only way of parking because they dont have garages- i see permit parking raising its ugly head as the problem solver-AND WE DONT WANT THAT!!
And dont forget Court Street car park is up for redevelopment and there will be no public car parking on the old Peter Black site either as it has been designated retail/industrial at the current time.
The Bath Odeon was originally a six plex designed without the need for cars and is reliant on shoppers, tourists and students. That is quite different to this cinema in Trowbridge which will be heavily dependent on traffic coming from outside of town and is essential for it to survive.We are rural and not Bath with its huge compacted 100000 population served by excellent local bus links .
Innox Riverside has the 524 spaces-the supermarket is 46000sqft not 78000sqft like Tescos-and it has the Shires in close proximity which i'm sure will open past 8pm when it sees the business it will bring- plus the added benefit of being close to the railway which quite a few people will use to come to the cinema and which will be in direct view of hundreds of passengers daily.
A multistorey rammed 8am til 6pm will mean that the 14 weeks of holiday will impact on the profitability of the cinema at SSP.The breakdown of holiday dates is 1 week Feb/2 weeks Easter/1 week Whitsun/6 weeks Summer/1 week October/3 weeks Christmas.Plus a few bank holiday mondays and bakers days as we used to call them. And one other thing you seem to forget is that Avon and Somerset is different from Wiltshire. Some had their holiday a week before ours making that a potential 15 weeks of holiday.Dont forget,the somerset border as you know is only 2 miles away from Trowbridge.And you quite rightly point out that colleges have different holidays too which as a cinema manager you had to find out from different local education authorities within a 20 mile radius and designed a performance schedule accordingly. I have outlined before the attendance over these 14 weeks can be the same as an entire year of evenings business at many of these multiplexes. The General manager of the cinema will have his work cut out trying to design a performance schedule to suit the car parking during these weekday holiday slots.I know--i used to design them for 5 multiplexes with widely differing problems.I have made it clear that the last evening show at 8-9pm-maybe even the 6pm will probably be alright plus any sunday business at SSP-but multiplex cinemas cannot work on such a restrictive basis if the car parking availability is not up to scratch.
And how on earth the figures of a 3 screen Odeon on Londons Tottenham Court road, a 12 screen cinema in Falkirk and a 12 screen cinema in York became included as part of determing the transport and highways figures for assessing the potential traffic problems of SSP just beggars belief and is beyond comprehension.
It really does make me wonder what L and G did to get Odeon on the site considering the problems ive mentioned that are waiting in the wings.Maybe they offered a huge lease/rent reduction for a certain number of years as a sweetener?
Altogether it just doesnt add up!
PCS-I dont think you will have to wait til 2014 for problems to rear their head --if Odeon opens up on the 2013 October half term then we will soon know who will be able to get to the site and who wont and its attendance.
And finally -take it from me-there is no detraction from the direction at IR-the developer is going for Feb 5th 2013- big time. They could have had earlier dates but all the respective parties had to come to an agreed timescale for legal preparations.
So no more what you think should happen or whether it should be something else on IR.I suggest, like me, you give it a rest and wait to see how it pans out.

The real problem you have Mike that I can see is that you seem to have one rule of logic for SSP and another for Bowyers. However you put it the car parking is exactly the same for the Bowyers site as it is for SSP - The bigger problem being access to the site at Bowyers ( One of the reasons for refusal remember). 524 spaces for Morrisons, cinema and restaurants - Tesco have over 600 spaces just for Tesco. Morrisons are going to want atleast 400 spaces = same problem no? If in fact it is a problem. .

All sounds very promising except for one big problem........it's in Trowbridge. I for one won't go there, it's a hole.

It is when people like PCS_Wilts and his cronies do their upmost to undermine a development that would bring much needed jobs and money to the town. Why can't Trowbridge have two complexes, we've got 14 coffee shops happily thriving, more choice leads to better value for the consumer.
And with the extra footfall from two sites, more retail shops will want to come, instead of leaving the high street in droves, as they are at the moment. I've nothing against SSP and hope they do well, but i'd like to see some copetition so that we the consumer benefit, otherwise they could charge whatever they like, as Tesco do at their petrol station.

Thats just it PCS-the parking at IR is not the same as SSP-the difference is that primarily workers and shoppers use the SSP car park 8am-6pm monday to saturday. It is a free car park not dedicated to a new 21st century 1230seater multiplex cinema-It may have tried to cater for the shambolic 2 screen (180 seats each) Europa cinema that was sited on top until 1982 but even that caused enormous traffic problems when 2 popular films played.And the extra 111 spaces on the SSP site are not dedicated to the cinema either but split across several restaurants and a hotel too, A Premier Inn always achieves a daily occupancy rate of 88%. With those restaurants one does not have to do the maths to work out that apart from mon-fri--on a saturday especially during the day ,traffic problems will create a nightmare for that area.County way will be just logjammed. The IR design have got that even split between supermarket and leisure which will work well. Incidentally there does happen to be many supermarket /cinema/restaurant complexes with the same number of car parking spaces dotted around the country. But many dont have the advantage of a busy railway right on their doorstep.With the railway and the Shires across the road it will also help to reduce the numbers of cars-a boon for those ecologically minded.
Anyway this time next year we will see who was right

Cancel everything, some bloke who left the town 15 years ago and somebody else called Dope aren't going to use the place.
Why in God's name didn't they tell anybody before all that time and money was wasted?

AMVanquish007 wrote:
PCS-I said 3 car parks of over 1000 spaces- i was meaning a grand total not 3 individual car parks of a 1000 each. There is Green Park station car park which can be used by all and is a paying car park-the car park in Corn Street which is a multi storey and has had car parking detached at ground level - and the 3rd car park opposite the cinema too.Just look on Google Earth from a height and you will see all the car parking. It all adds up plus the single yellows on side streets too.Not too many single yellows in immediate proximity to Trowbridge SSP now is there.I certainly wont be too pleased (as a resident) if cinema traffic parks up around west ashton, longfield and dursley roads taking up the residents only way of parking because they dont have garages- i see permit parking raising its ugly head as the problem solver-AND WE DONT WANT THAT!! And dont forget Court Street car park is up for redevelopment and there will be no public car parking on the old Peter Black site either as it has been designated retail/industrial at the current time. The Bath Odeon was originally a six plex designed without the need for cars and is reliant on shoppers, tourists and students. That is quite different to this cinema in Trowbridge which will be heavily dependent on traffic coming from outside of town and is essential for it to survive.We are rural and not Bath with its huge compacted 100000 population served by excellent local bus links . Innox Riverside has the 524 spaces-the supermarket is 46000sqft not 78000sqft like Tescos-and it has the Shires in close proximity which i'm sure will open past 8pm when it sees the business it will bring- plus the added benefit of being close to the railway which quite a few people will use to come to the cinema and which will be in direct view of hundreds of passengers daily. A multistorey rammed 8am til 6pm will mean that the 14 weeks of holiday will impact on the profitability of the cinema at SSP.The breakdown of holiday dates is 1 week Feb/2 weeks Easter/1 week Whitsun/6 weeks Summer/1 week October/3 weeks Christmas.Plus a few bank holiday mondays and bakers days as we used to call them. And one other thing you seem to forget is that Avon and Somerset is different from Wiltshire. Some had their holiday a week before ours making that a potential 15 weeks of holiday.Dont forget,the somerset border as you know is only 2 miles away from Trowbridge.And you quite rightly point out that colleges have different holidays too which as a cinema manager you had to find out from different local education authorities within a 20 mile radius and designed a performance schedule accordingly. I have outlined before the attendance over these 14 weeks can be the same as an entire year of evenings business at many of these multiplexes. The General manager of the cinema will have his work cut out trying to design a performance schedule to suit the car parking during these weekday holiday slots.I know--i used to design them for 5 multiplexes with widely differing problems.I have made it clear that the last evening show at 8-9pm-maybe even the 6pm will probably be alright plus any sunday business at SSP-but multiplex cinemas cannot work on such a restrictive basis if the car parking availability is not up to scratch. And how on earth the figures of a 3 screen Odeon on Londons Tottenham Court road, a 12 screen cinema in Falkirk and a 12 screen cinema in York became included as part of determing the transport and highways figures for assessing the potential traffic problems of SSP just beggars belief and is beyond comprehension. It really does make me wonder what L and G did to get Odeon on the site considering the problems ive mentioned that are waiting in the wings.Maybe they offered a huge lease/rent reduction for a certain number of years as a sweetener? Altogether it just doesnt add up! PCS-I dont think you will have to wait til 2014 for problems to rear their head --if Odeon opens up on the 2013 October half term then we will soon know who will be able to get to the site and who wont and its attendance. And finally -take it from me-there is no detraction from the direction at IR-the developer is going for Feb 5th 2013- big time. They could have had earlier dates but all the respective parties had to come to an agreed timescale for legal preparations. So no more what you think should happen or whether it should be something else on IR.I suggest, like me, you give it a rest and wait to see how it pans out.

I suggest you get your facts straight - it is common knowledge that Vath has a population of 50000 NOT 100000. Quite simple to prove - google it. You accuse PCS of bending facts to fit his claims but that is exactly what you do when you post an essay full of rubbish. As for Bath odeon being designed for Baths population of FIFTY THOUSAND, including tourists, shoppers and students, I know plenty of people who travel to Bath by CAR for the cinema, my family included. And, on a Saturday, we've encountered the problems you've highlighted. But, Bath still manages to cope, and residents don't kick up a fuss. Because, The residents of Bath see it worth having a cinema because of all the extra people it pulls in. And I'm pretty sure that the majority of Trowbridge residents will see it like that also, with the exception of a few whiny people like yourself. Anyone I know who I've spoken to doesn't care where the cinema is built, they just care that we're getting one. You tried to say SSP wouldn't happen - it clearly is so now you continue to moan about parking as you've got nothing else to say. People will visit, people will be happy, end of. The worst that happens is that the town centre gets super busy on a saturday and during holidays - well I don't know about anyone else but I think that the Trowbridge economy needs that boost!

Well said 18 Years ,99.9 % of Trowbridge residents want Odeon and SSP site There are a few led by AMVanquish007/ AKA Mike Baxter ,(Self proclaimed local cinema expert )who do not .You have to question motives.....

GP & JK GOT IT WRONG wrote:
Well said 18 Years ,99.9 % of Trowbridge residents want Odeon and SSP site There are a few led by AMVanquish007/ AKA Mike Baxter ,(Self proclaimed local cinema expert )who do not .You have to question motives.....

"99.9 % of Trowbridge residents want Odeon and SSP site" - Did I miss a poll that was conducted? What evidence do you base this on? I must have been out when you called! I think you'll find a number of people want BOTH developments. I welcome anything that brings hundreds of jobs And millions of pounds into the area, as well as regenerating derelict sites - who wouldn't?

ellliotluke wrote:
It is when people like PCS_Wilts and his cronies do their upmost to undermine a development that would bring much needed jobs and money to the town. Why can't Trowbridge have two complexes, we've got 14 coffee shops happily thriving, more choice leads to better value for the consumer.
And with the extra footfall from two sites, more retail shops will want to come, instead of leaving the high street in droves, as they are at the moment. I've nothing against SSP and hope they do well, but i'd like to see some copetition so that we the consumer benefit, otherwise they could charge whatever they like, as Tesco do at their petrol station.

PCS & his cronies want the same thing I do, a new development. something we don't already have. I'm not a great fan of the Supermarket, but if it means we get a 10 pin bowling alley, or a water park, or SOMETHING NEW. then I don't mind.

But I THINK we don't need another Cinema. I'm not an expert, I'm a resident. almost all the people I chat to about it say they are happy that we have a cinema on the way, and have lost interest in the other developments currently being considered.

BathBadger wrote:

GP & JK GOT IT WRONG wrote:
Well said 18 Years ,99.9 % of Trowbridge residents want Odeon and SSP site There are a few led by AMVanquish007/ AKA Mike Baxter ,(Self proclaimed local cinema expert )who do not .You have to question motives.....

"99.9 % of Trowbridge residents want Odeon and SSP site" - Did I miss a poll that was conducted? What evidence do you base this on? I must have been out when you called! I think you'll find a number of people want BOTH developments. I welcome anything that brings hundreds of jobs And millions of pounds into the area, as well as regenerating derelict sites - who wouldn't?

99.9% of people apparently

Glad you agree Mike

Goodness - How many internet trolls are on this feed - Shall we have a reserved car space for every possible customer that may ever want to visit trowbridge incase they all want to come on any one day.
Perhaps it will encourage those who live locally to actually walk into town if they are not gureanteed a space to park, or use public transport.
Seems to me like certian people have invested interests in the other site and are blinkered to any other outcome but their own.
Simple fact is Trowbridge does not have the need for two multi screen cinemas and in the event that both are given the go ahead it won't be long until jobs are lost and shops/restaurants and perhaps even the cinema closing due to not being able cover their costs. There is only a certain number of people that will use the facility and this will not increase regardless of there being two cinema complexes and the same footfall of customers over the two sites is not sustainable.

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

ML1986 wrote:
Goodness - How many internet trolls are on this feed - Shall we have a reserved car space for every possible customer that may ever want to visit trowbridge incase they all want to come on any one day.
Perhaps it will encourage those who live locally to actually walk into town if they are not gureanteed a space to park, or use public transport.
Seems to me like certian people have invested interests in the other site and are blinkered to any other outcome but their own.
Simple fact is Trowbridge does not have the need for two multi screen cinemas and in the event that both are given the go ahead it won't be long until jobs are lost and shops/restaurants and perhaps even the cinema closing due to not being able cover their costs. There is only a certain number of people that will use the facility and this will not increase regardless of there being two cinema complexes and the same footfall of customers over the two sites is not sustainable.

So from what you say ML, it looks like the SSP cinema is just for Trowbridge Residents? The innox site has more parking and is next to the Station and is aimed at the outlying towns also, a much bigger catchment area and ptetil customers - who will be bringing money into Trowbridge and supporting the other local businesses when they go shopping, go for a meal, drink etc. So from that we can deduce we have a sustainable Cinema for Trowbridge and another one sustainable for the surrounding area AND Trowbridge? I would like to think that both Odeon and Cineworld have done there homework on the footfall before investing their hard earned money.

haha - suprise suprise the troll isn't happy with an opinion other than their own.
Why does a mile between the two sites matter....infact don't answer the question as I don't care.
Either way SSP place is being built, it will attract lots of people and money from all areas of Wiltshire and Somerset and will be a success.
I now have things to be getting on with other than arguing on a forum about a silly development which is only good news for Trowbridge - can't always have things our own way. Lets hope those people on the council don't waste their days like this....

ML1986 wrote:
haha - suprise suprise the troll isn't happy with an opinion other than their own.
Why does a mile between the two sites matter....infact don't answer the question as I don't care.
Either way SSP place is being built, it will attract lots of people and money from all areas of Wiltshire and Somerset and will be a success.
I now have things to be getting on with other than arguing on a forum about a silly development which is only good news for Trowbridge - can't always have things our own way. Lets hope those people on the council don't waste their days like this....

Alot better than debating the points made obviously ML? Who has said SSP is not being Built? I have said that BOTH developments would be good. Who's arguing?

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

I see what you did there. :D

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

I see what you did there. :D

Glad you're keeping up Shaun!

so... Bath Badger.

why do you like the INNOX site. what do you like about it? (I'm not trying being a dick, I'm just interested to hear what you think)

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

I see what you did there. :D

Glad you're keeping up Shaun!

im not shaun..... I'm Mike.....BeardyMike infact

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

I see what you did there. :D

Glad you're keeping up Shaun!

im not shaun..... I'm Mike.....BeardyMike infact

Oh yes, sorry, my bad ;)

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
Glad you agree Mike

I'm sorry to report; that was sarcasm.

As was mine!

I see what you did there. :D

Glad you're keeping up Shaun!

im not shaun..... I'm Mike.....BeardyMike infact

Oh yes, sorry, my bad ;)

no, I'm Mike, same as you.

I don't think Mike has a need for multiple logins, nor do i. With over a 1000 on the signed petition, what would be the point? Newsquest are fully aware of who is using multiple logins and devices, so again, what would be the point? No-one has yet come forward to start a campaign and gain support for anything other than what's been proposed at Innox, which is surprising with the amount of anti Cineworld posters on these threads wouldn't you say? Perhaps its all talk, no action and wait for somebody else to do it? Again, happy to state i am Pro SSP and Pro Innox, I just want both!

Both won't be sustainable and anyone with half a brain including a lot of the people who were duped into signing the petition without being told what was going on at SSP will tell you.

Please do not assume that anyone who dares have a opinion other than that of Mike Baxter's is simply me using a different login - get Newsquest to confirm this if you must.

As for campaigns for and against - there's been plenty happening - I'm just not at liberty to say what and where - I have hinted enough though - and if you have read what I've been hinting over the months - I'm not far wrong so far am I...

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Both won't be sustainable and anyone with half a brain including a lot of the people who were duped into signing the petition without being told what was going on at SSP will tell you.

Please do not assume that anyone who dares have a opinion other than that of Mike Baxter's is simply me using a different login - get Newsquest to confirm this if you must.

As for campaigns for and against - there's been plenty happening - I'm just not at liberty to say what and where - I have hinted enough though - and if you have read what I've been hinting over the months - I'm not far wrong so far am I...

On what evidence do you know that both won't be sustainable? On that template, why do we have multiple Phone Shops, Supermarkets, Coffee Shops, Estate agents etc etc? Or are you choosing only to compare what you wish to? I haven't seen any campaigns to gauge public interest, however much you have hinted or not. Are you saying that Odeon and Cineworld have got there market research wrong?

Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

BathBadger wrote:
I don't think Mike has a need for multiple logins, nor do i. With over a 1000 on the signed petition, what would be the point? Newsquest are fully aware of who is using multiple logins and devices, so again, what would be the point? No-one has yet come forward to start a campaign and gain support for anything other than what's been proposed at Innox, which is surprising with the amount of anti Cineworld posters on these threads wouldn't you say? Perhaps its all talk, no action and wait for somebody else to do it? Again, happy to state i am Pro SSP and Pro Innox, I just want both!

I asked earlier. "why you like Innox?" do you want to answer that? (again, I'm not looking for "points" or a argument. I'm genuinely just interested as you have had a seemingly stronger preference for Innox)

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Beardy Mike wrote:

BathBadger wrote:
I don't think Mike has a need for multiple logins, nor do i. With over a 1000 on the signed petition, what would be the point? Newsquest are fully aware of who is using multiple logins and devices, so again, what would be the point? No-one has yet come forward to start a campaign and gain support for anything other than what's been proposed at Innox, which is surprising with the amount of anti Cineworld posters on these threads wouldn't you say? Perhaps its all talk, no action and wait for somebody else to do it? Again, happy to state i am Pro SSP and Pro Innox, I just want both!

I asked earlier. "why you like Innox?" do you want to answer that? (again, I'm not looking for "points" or a argument. I'm genuinely just interested as you have had a seemingly stronger preference for Innox)

I like Innox because of the Cineworld element, better ticketing options, parking, right next to the station and i like the Morrisons element as well. The element of competition and choice can only be good for consumers, it keeps costs and charges low. I don't think it should be a case of having one or the other, i think we deserve both.

Why bother with a Premier Inn? Who on earth wants to stay in Trowbridge?!

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Coffee is a daily/hourly consumable with huge profit margins and mobile phones are more vast in customers as well as being a consumable in terms of renewing contracts and desire to hold the latest technology not to mention that airtime agreements are the main source of income and so subsidise the leases of mobile phone shops - money being earnt from every customer every second of the day, completely different to going to see a movie, therefore far more sustainable than a cinema - why does Bath not have 2 major cinemas?

You say Cineworld are still interested - is this the same interest that Prezzo have at the IR site - you can try and pick holes in what I say as much as you like but in the coming months you will see that I am correct.

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Coffee is a daily/hourly consumable with huge profit margins and mobile phones are more vast in customers as well as being a consumable in terms of renewing contracts and desire to hold the latest technology not to mention that airtime agreements are the main source of income and so subsidise the leases of mobile phone shops - money being earnt from every customer every second of the day, completely different to going to see a movie, therefore far more sustainable than a cinema - why does Bath not have 2 major cinemas?

You say Cineworld are still interested - is this the same interest that Prezzo have at the IR site - you can try and pick holes in what I say as much as you like but in the coming months you will see that I am correct.

You can skew the figures all you, 14 Coffee shops in one town is a hell of a lot of Coffee. And Mobile phones, your average person has perhaps one new phone either every 12/18 or 24 months. With a Cineworld unlimited pass, i can go to the cinema however much i like within a month.

but i'll concede that a chap who runs a market unit knows the figures better than the execs of Cineworld & Morrisons.

An comparing Bath to Trowbridge would be like comparing Falkirk to Trowbridge, oh sorry whoops, Odeon have already done that! Where would you build in Bath? Planning is a nightmare there and you have Longwell green 8 miles away, which is the cinema i use because of the good parking.

I still don't get what your beef or angle is apart from wanting to support denying Trowbridge of over 400 jobs and millions in investment.

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Coffee is a daily/hourly consumable with huge profit margins and mobile phones are more vast in customers as well as being a consumable in terms of renewing contracts and desire to hold the latest technology not to mention that airtime agreements are the main source of income and so subsidise the leases of mobile phone shops - money being earnt from every customer every second of the day, completely different to going to see a movie, therefore far more sustainable than a cinema - why does Bath not have 2 major cinemas?

You say Cineworld are still interested - is this the same interest that Prezzo have at the IR site - you can try and pick holes in what I say as much as you like but in the coming months you will see that I am correct.

You can skew the figures all you, 14 Coffee shops in one town is a hell of a lot of Coffee. And Mobile phones, your average person has perhaps one new phone either every 12/18 or 24 months. With a Cineworld unlimited pass, i can go to the cinema however much i like within a month.

but i'll concede that a chap who runs a market unit knows the figures better than the execs of Cineworld & Morrisons.

An comparing Bath to Trowbridge would be like comparing Falkirk to Trowbridge, oh sorry whoops, Odeon have already done that! Where would you build in Bath? Planning is a nightmare there and you have Longwell green 8 miles away, which is the cinema i use because of the good parking.

I still don't get what your beef or angle is apart from wanting to support denying Trowbridge of over 400 jobs and millions in investment.

Funny how whenever you do not like my answer I'm either bending the the truth or you have to try and attack me in some way.

Your comments are always very convenient to your cause but everyone else's are skewed or uneducated - sounds like Mike Baxter to me.

Remember, I'm not against Bowyers being developed - Cineworld will only provide a couple of dozen jobs out of that 400 you quote - so why so important? A petrol station would provide a similar amount of jobs and if you did a poll of Trowbridge People asking if they would like a second cinema or a Morrisons Petrol Station I'm pretty sure you would get more than 2000 signatures.

Note to poster 18Years... You said, and I quote, "I suggest you get your facts straight - it is common knowledge that Vath (sic) has a population of 50000 NOT 100000. Quite simple to prove - google it."

I don't know where you get your "common knowledge" from 18Years, but any smarter than average cretin would appreciate that Bath's population is more than 50,000. In fact, taking your own advice and googling it, we can find out that the population figure is almost 85,000 - a great deal nearer the 100,000 mark don't you think?

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Coffee is a daily/hourly consumable with huge profit margins and mobile phones are more vast in customers as well as being a consumable in terms of renewing contracts and desire to hold the latest technology not to mention that airtime agreements are the main source of income and so subsidise the leases of mobile phone shops - money being earnt from every customer every second of the day, completely different to going to see a movie, therefore far more sustainable than a cinema - why does Bath not have 2 major cinemas?

You say Cineworld are still interested - is this the same interest that Prezzo have at the IR site - you can try and pick holes in what I say as much as you like but in the coming months you will see that I am correct.

You can skew the figures all you, 14 Coffee shops in one town is a hell of a lot of Coffee. And Mobile phones, your average person has perhaps one new phone either every 12/18 or 24 months. With a Cineworld unlimited pass, i can go to the cinema however much i like within a month.

but i'll concede that a chap who runs a market unit knows the figures better than the execs of Cineworld & Morrisons.

An comparing Bath to Trowbridge would be like comparing Falkirk to Trowbridge, oh sorry whoops, Odeon have already done that! Where would you build in Bath? Planning is a nightmare there and you have Longwell green 8 miles away, which is the cinema i use because of the good parking.

I still don't get what your beef or angle is apart from wanting to support denying Trowbridge of over 400 jobs and millions in investment.

Funny how whenever you do not like my answer I'm either bending the the truth or you have to try and attack me in some way.

Your comments are always very convenient to your cause but everyone else's are skewed or uneducated - sounds like Mike Baxter to me.

Remember, I'm not against Bowyers being developed - Cineworld will only provide a couple of dozen jobs out of that 400 you quote - so why so important? A petrol station would provide a similar amount of jobs and if you did a poll of Trowbridge People asking if they would like a second cinema or a Morrisons Petrol Station I'm pretty sure you would get more than 2000 signatures.

My comments are convenient to my cause? What else could they be if you are trying to backup a point of view? Trouble is Shaun, you never backup your arguments with any evidence and only choose to answer parts of questions put to you. I'd like you to backup your evidence of non-sustainability with regards to 2 cinemas. And with regard to the jobs Innox would create, it's the development as a whole you need to look at, all the retail units and how about the people who would have to build it? If you think half a dozen could build a multiplex, lets take it to Dragons Den - we'd clean up! I have asked you numerous times in the past when you are going to do your own poll, because no-one is going to do it for you. Until then, the only poll we have is the one Rebecca did, the results of which are fact.

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:

BathBadger wrote:

PCS_Wilts wrote:
Are you saying that Cineworld and Odeon have both done market research and concluded they could both could exist in Trowbridge simultaneously whilst producing a profit?

They have both done Market Research and Cineworld are still interested even with SSP being built. Could you answer my question please on it not being sustainable and evidence you have to back it up? As said, why do we have mutliple phone, coffee shops etc?

Coffee is a daily/hourly consumable with huge profit margins and mobile phones are more vast in customers as well as being a consumable in terms of renewing contracts and desire to hold the latest technology not to mention that airtime agreements are the main source of income and so subsidise the leases of mobile phone shops - money being earnt from every customer every second of the day, completely different to going to see a movie, therefore far more sustainable than a cinema - why does Bath not have 2 major cinemas?

You say Cineworld are still interested - is this the same interest that Prezzo have at the IR site - you can try and pick holes in what I say as much as you like but in the coming months you will see that I am correct.

You can skew the figures all you, 14 Coffee shops in one town is a hell of a lot of Coffee. And Mobile phones, your average person has perhaps one new phone either every 12/18 or 24 months. With a Cineworld unlimited pass, i can go to the cinema however much i like within a month.

but i'll concede that a chap who runs a market unit knows the figures better than the execs of Cineworld & Morrisons.

An comparing Bath to Trowbridge would be like comparing Falkirk to Trowbridge, oh sorry whoops, Odeon have already done that! Where would you build in Bath? Planning is a nightmare there and you have Longwell green 8 miles away, which is the cinema i use because of the good parking.

I still don't get what your beef or angle is apart from wanting to support denying Trowbridge of over 400 jobs and millions in investment.

Funny how whenever you do not like my answer I'm either bending the the truth or you have to try and attack me in some way.

Your comments are always very convenient to your cause but everyone else's are skewed or uneducated - sounds like Mike Baxter to me.

Remember, I'm not against Bowyers being developed - Cineworld will only provide a couple of dozen jobs out of that 400 you quote - so why so important? A petrol station would provide a similar amount of jobs and if you did a poll of Trowbridge People asking if they would like a second cinema or a Morrisons Petrol Station I'm pretty sure you would get more than 2000 signatures.

My comments are convenient to my cause? What else could they be if you are trying to backup a point of view? Trouble is Shaun, you never backup your arguments with any evidence and only choose to answer parts of questions put to you. I'd like you to backup your evidence of non-sustainability with regards to 2 cinemas. And with regard to the jobs Innox would create, it's the development as a whole you need to look at, all the retail units and how about the people who would have to build it? If you think half a dozen could build a multiplex, lets take it to Dragons Den - we'd clean up! I have asked you numerous times in the past when you are going to do your own poll, because no-one is going to do it for you. Until then, the only poll we have is the one Rebecca did, the results of which are fact.

The poll that failed to inform people what was happening at SSP? - People signed that petition thinking that the Bowyers site was the only development on offer. The Wiltshire Times and its reporting didn't help those matters.

And lets face it (facts here) 2000 signatures accounts for only 5% of the Trowbridge Population and doesn't take into consideration the population count in your so called "catchment area"
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The building of the site is not the issue in terms of sustainable jobs now is it.

Let me tell you this - There will never be a Cineworld on the Bowyers site and the evidence for that will present itself.

My point exactly Shaun, it's the only poll we have, so it's the only evidence of opinion there is. What have you or your TRAM cronies done to gauge, audit and record any other opinions? As said, no ones going to do it for you. If you focused half of the spite and vitriol you display on here for the bowyers supporters, you could be well on you way to getting an alternative opinion that could be presented to Morrisons. But I guess that's too much of positive move and it's easier to do nothing and continue to be negative on here. Perhaps you're afraid of the answer? You rubbish the numbers of the petition on here, but it's important to remember its 2000 more opinions than you currently have for any other alternative.

If you'd been paying attention to the hints - there is no need for me to present alternatives...

PCS_Wilts wrote:
If you'd been paying attention to the hints - there is no need for me to present alternatives...

Lol, yes a lot better than stating facts,eh Shaun!?

What a **** retort bathbaxter.

And he's back with his multi logins! Lets drag 'em all out Shaun, why not :) Anything to not answer the questions ;)

I'm quite happy to speak for myself, also bare in mind I'm the only one not hiding behind anonymity.

Pretty sure I did answer your questions too - didn't answer mine though - Everyone who signed the petition - were they fully informed of the fact a cinema had already been given planning permission to be built at SSP whilst asking them to sign a petition for a cinema to be built in Trowbridge?

The reason I keep asking is that my colleagues and I have spoken to a lot of people at the L&G display in Castle Place and its surprising how many people who say they signed the petition but were not aware of The Odeon being built at SSP at the time they signed the petition. Its seemed to change their opinion of the situation - go figure huh.

Tell you what, instead of attempting to answer the question, just rubbish me or try to insult me personally seeing as you actually know who I am. Follow that up by insulting the next person to comment by suggesting they are not capable of having an opinion and in are in fact me again trying to be incognito using multiple logins but some one like you who is far too clever to be fooled by such antics is not falling for it. Well done you.

I/we all know what your other logins are Shaun, i am just amazed you can't see how sad you are having conversations with yourself and trying to portray that you have more support for an alternative scheme than you really do. The same has been said off of here too. People know you, because you seem to have put yourself on a self proclaimed pedestal of being anti Morrisions, and as for anonymity you apparently know who i am anyway, but what difference that makes to my opinion i don't know. Why would the petition hve to mention what is happening at SSP, what would be the point? I think it was covered enough in the local press and L & G's own promotion wasn't it? Also at the time, building work hadn't started and only the ground works contractors had been commissioned (you can argue all you like, but thats a fact), so that would have been counting chickens. Yet again i would still like to know on what factual evidence and experience you base your sustainabilty issue?

How very wrong you are - if you take into account I know some of the people making the comments you accuse me of making then it seems we are having similar conversations in different circles.

Secondly I accepted months ago and have posted many comments to the fact that The Bowyers site will be home to a Morrisons store - To be clear I am against a second cinema and string of restaurants on the site as I do not believe them to be sustainable in Trowbridge. If the best/quickest way to get Bowyers developed is for it to also have a Morrisons store, well I can think of worse. They key though is for the rest of the site to be sustainable and like you I have my opinion.

Thirdly when petitioning for something surely people have the right to be aware of exactly what they are petitioning for because there is a large proportion of people who signed the petition who thought they were petitioning for "a cinema" - not a "second cinema". Surely you can see the importance in that.

You say only ground work had been commisioned yet L&G had published their timeline for development as you just stated - so where is your real point there? Not sure how you can say it was counting chickens - more like grasping at straws and making excuses for not properly informing people of what they were petitioning for.

I have the same factual evidence you have regards sustainability - my own opinion - neither Prorsus nor L&G have done any market research that concludes both sites would be sustainable and the councils own core policy takes sustainability into account at planning.

I don't know who you are and its not me logging in with different nicknames to say otherwise. I'm not afraid to say what I think either on an internet forum or face to face so what would be the point of having multiple log ins? If you want to be sure about this (because it will make you feel rather silly) I'm quite happy to sign any legal document allowing Newsquest to reveal this to you and anyone else that wants to know.

So why have a movement called "Traders Against Morrisons"? Wouldn't you say that was a somewhat negative and anti Morrisons name? It is also pertinent to bear in mind that the regeneration of the SSP area in town will have an effect on increasing the value of some of the land owned in that area of Town, e.g Tino who has commented in the main article. There is nothing wrong in that, but it would somewhat skew your judgement of which development may be more beneficial!

As regards to the petition it was clear what had been petitioned for and was not only covered in the local paper but also on television, I certainly haven't found anyone who wasn't aware what was planned at SSP. SSP as well as the Innox promoters had published timelines, but as you are aware, not everything comes to fruition in the economic times we live. Would SSP have gone ahead if Innox had got permission to build? Timelines mean nothing until building commences and thankfully this has happened at SSP.

You have no factual evidence on sustainability Shaun, nor do i, that was my point! But do you really think Cineworld would waste millions of pounds building something people wouldn't use? They had committed to build whether SSP went ahead or not. If Odeon and L & G think they have a rock solid marketing model they should have nothing to fear and should welcome healthy competition - that means Cinema goers like me and you will get choice and best value ticket prices.

I have not lost any sleep over the multiple log-ins, in fact it makes me chuckle - you got caught out once before and then blamed it as a genuine mistake as your housemate coincidentally happened to use the same PC and was actively commenting on the same story. Life is full of coincidences though isn't it ;)

Legal documents or not, you as well as i know that under the data protection act, information like that can't be revealed to members of the public, unless a criminal act is committed and then only revealed to the police. Legislation is rather handy sometimes.

Have a fabulous evening :)

Running around in circles with the same old same old.

I didn't get caught out either - when I did make the mistake of using the shared pc in the living room and commenting, I immediately commented again making people aware what had happened. Again I had nothing to hide or fear.

You make a good point about sustainability - you also have no factual evidence to say the town could sustain 2 cinemas - point is this is part of the debate isn't it - you have your side I have mine. The coming months will be interesting to see who stands in the majority. Above all the main objective is to develop the site responsibly and provide the town with facilities that we need and lack - now that we have a string of restaurants and a cinema surely this would mean there is room for something different at IR. Problem is a lot of you have the blinkers on and just want to achieve what you set out at the beginning regardless of the effect on the rest of the town - and remember L&G drew up plans for their site long before Morrisons even purchased IR which would mean that their business plan had not had reason to take into account a second cinema in the town. You can waffle on about Prorsus putting plans in first but its all hogwash - the plans were flawed, incomplete and did not meet planning regs - why? because they were hastily drawn up and thrown into planning - the fact that Prorsus is where it is now proves that.

Time for the Cineworld protesters to to take a breath of reality and look at other options because one way or another I don't think you will ever see a second cinema built at IR and it would be a shame to miss an opportunity for the town to have their say.

Nevermind all that... I just want to know when Nandos opens!

Nandos will open along with Prezzo, Premier Inn and Odeon in October 2013.

More restaurants to be confirmed soon - Hopefully Frankie & Benny's will be amongst them as a personal favourite.