£225k saved through redundancies can't be spent on youth services, Wiltshire Council rules

£225k saved through redundancies can't be spent on youth services, Wiltshire Council rules

Wiltshire Liberal Democrat leader Jon Hubbard

Laura Mayes, cabinet member for children’s services

First published in Trowbridge
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by , Senior reporter for Trowbridge

A bid to use £225,000 saved by making senior staff redundant to provide a transitional service for youth services in Wiltshire was rejected by the council today.

Wiltshire councillors Jon Hubbard and Trevor Cabin put forward the motion, which requested the money be made available to provide street based youth workers to work with existing and emerging community providers for the next 18 months.

The motion came following the council’s decision in May to restructure its community youth activities after cuts to the service’s budget, which has seen workers made redundant and youth centres closed.

Cllr Hubbard said the motion was being put forward due to “very real concerns” that the council was doing too much, too quickly, and that the new model needed to be phased in.

“This is not a debate which will pass a judgement on whether the changes to the provision of youth services in Wiltshire are a good thing or not, or whether indeed these changes should be implemented or not,” he said.

“We are closing our youth centres, shutting down our co-ordinated youth activities and, in effect, rejecting our young people before we have any idea about how we will fill the gap that has been created.”

The new model will see a more community-led approach, with youth services co-ordinated from the county’s 18 area boards, with every area board having a community youth officer to work with community groups and support developing Local Youth Networks.

However, Cllr Hubbard added: “Rather than an ordered transitional approach, currently the council is adopting a Big Bang approach to the introduction of the new model.”

Cllr Laura Mayes, cabinet member for children’s services, responded by saying that the council had gone through a long consultation period to come up with the new model and that the motion would mean starting over again.

Wiltshire Council leader Jane Scott added that the money Cllr Hubbard was speaking of did not exist as it was part of the savings in the overall council budget.

The motion was defeated with 30 members voting for and 49 voting against.

Members of Bradford on Avon’s youth club Cherry Riley, 17, Alysha Green, 16, and Jade Britton, 13, spoke in favour of the motion before the debate and afterwards said were “frustrated” by the outcome of the vote.

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6:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

kimcrawley says...

Here we go again Scott and her cronies take money from the public to line their and their friends pockets.
It's a tory form of public service, totally unique - they promise to improve things with re-organisation and privatisation in order to cap the council tax.
Each time we end up with a rubbish service costing more and an increase in council tax.
And then they give themselves a fat bonus. Scott should be chancellor, she is even more deluded than creepy Osborne.
Here we go again Scott and her cronies take money from the public to line their and their friends pockets. It's a tory form of public service, totally unique - they promise to improve things with re-organisation and privatisation in order to cap the council tax. Each time we end up with a rubbish service costing more and an increase in council tax. And then they give themselves a fat bonus. Scott should be chancellor, she is even more deluded than creepy Osborne. kimcrawley
  • Score: 14

7:43pm Tue 29 Jul 14

melkshamwizard says...

The youth that's being affected by this will soon be voting for councillors for the council.I'm sure they will remember the rabble we've got running the council now
The youth that's being affected by this will soon be voting for councillors for the council.I'm sure they will remember the rabble we've got running the council now melkshamwizard
  • Score: 19

7:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Room101 says...

They must be looking at another pay rise. Can't wait for elections. All this lot seem to do is as kimcrawley said, re-organisation and privatise. So who are these Cllr's in charge of.
They must be looking at another pay rise. Can't wait for elections. All this lot seem to do is as kimcrawley said, re-organisation and privatise. So who are these Cllr's in charge of. Room101
  • Score: 18

8:24pm Tue 29 Jul 14

whatisgoingon says...

As a parent we were told that the youth service will stay open until October for all young people and young people with special need, so why are they closing now with nothing in place we are told that Barnardos are taking over the service,my friends child love's the youth club, likes being treated as a young person with peer mentors the same age. Barnardos staff are NOT youth workers,I don't understand why some buildings will be still open to be used for other activities like the one's that are attached to Lesuire centre's ,so why not keep the youth club open.it don't makes sence.I suppose that they will be used for the middle class voters for sports ect ,
I thought club's were closing as the council could no longer keep them going!!!!!!
As a parent we were told that the youth service will stay open until October for all young people and young people with special need, so why are they closing now with nothing in place we are told that Barnardos are taking over the service,my friends child love's the youth club, likes being treated as a young person with peer mentors the same age. Barnardos staff are NOT youth workers,I don't understand why some buildings will be still open to be used for other activities like the one's that are attached to Lesuire centre's ,so why not keep the youth club open.it don't makes sence.I suppose that they will be used for the middle class voters for sports ect , I thought club's were closing as the council could no longer keep them going!!!!!! whatisgoingon
  • Score: 12

9:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gladrags says...

The "consultation " conveniently ignored the views of young people in Wiltshire and the youth workers who knew how much of a difference they could make to young people who struggle. The reality is that the directed youth workers who will remain will be trying to get a voluntary service running in its place, which is very hard to do. People cannot always offer the level of commitment needed, and the need for training, child protection for example, sexual health etc which the youth workers have been doing, requires huge commitment.
Wiltshire- where everybody who is a Conservative Councillor Matters
The "consultation " conveniently ignored the views of young people in Wiltshire and the youth workers who knew how much of a difference they could make to young people who struggle. The reality is that the directed youth workers who will remain will be trying to get a voluntary service running in its place, which is very hard to do. People cannot always offer the level of commitment needed, and the need for training, child protection for example, sexual health etc which the youth workers have been doing, requires huge commitment. Wiltshire- where everybody who is a Conservative Councillor Matters Gladrags
  • Score: 11

9:39pm Tue 29 Jul 14

kimcrawley says...

whatisgoingon wrote:
As a parent we were told that the youth service will stay open until October for all young people and young people with special need, so why are they closing now with nothing in place we are told that Barnardos are taking over the service,my friends child love's the youth club, likes being treated as a young person with peer mentors the same age. Barnardos staff are NOT youth workers,I don't understand why some buildings will be still open to be used for other activities like the one's that are attached to Lesuire centre's ,so why not keep the youth club open.it don't makes sence.I suppose that they will be used for the middle class voters for sports ect ,
I thought club's were closing as the council could no longer keep them going!!!!!!
Perceptive comments indeed, what is going on? Remember the unqualified staff at Barnardos are employees that work for an organisation that claims charitable status, yet acts like rapacious capatilists, paying poverty wages to overworked staff.
Oh, and they were the recipient of Queen Jane's largesse when the council services were privatised. That's how we pay 3 people working for WC more than the prime minister. To put right the mistakes made by Queen Jane and her court.
[quote][p][bold]whatisgoingon[/bold] wrote: As a parent we were told that the youth service will stay open until October for all young people and young people with special need, so why are they closing now with nothing in place we are told that Barnardos are taking over the service,my friends child love's the youth club, likes being treated as a young person with peer mentors the same age. Barnardos staff are NOT youth workers,I don't understand why some buildings will be still open to be used for other activities like the one's that are attached to Lesuire centre's ,so why not keep the youth club open.it don't makes sence.I suppose that they will be used for the middle class voters for sports ect , I thought club's were closing as the council could no longer keep them going!!!!!![/p][/quote]Perceptive comments indeed, what is going on? Remember the unqualified staff at Barnardos are employees that work for an organisation that claims charitable status, yet acts like rapacious capatilists, paying poverty wages to overworked staff. Oh, and they were the recipient of Queen Jane's largesse when the council services were privatised. That's how we pay 3 people working for WC more than the prime minister. To put right the mistakes made by Queen Jane and her court. kimcrawley
  • Score: 7

9:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

corshman says...

If as councillor Scott says the savings don't exist as they are part of the overall budget, why not keep the youth services running after all it won't cost anything because it doesn't exist. She and her cronies excepted a 40% plus increase in expenses ( She gets. 50k plus for expenses ) Yet she is failing the youth of this county, the cheek of this out of touch woman is astounding.
If as councillor Scott says the savings don't exist as they are part of the overall budget, why not keep the youth services running after all it won't cost anything because it doesn't exist. She and her cronies excepted a 40% plus increase in expenses ( She gets. 50k plus for expenses ) Yet she is failing the youth of this county, the cheek of this out of touch woman is astounding. corshman
  • Score: 13

10:28pm Tue 29 Jul 14

chippenhamgedd says...

He looks like a fine pillar of the community
He looks like a fine pillar of the community chippenhamgedd
  • Score: -5

1:30pm Wed 30 Jul 14

gingin says...

Unfortunately come the next election the same shower will be re-elected as nobody will take a chance on other political parties having a go instead of the nasty party ruling everybody and everything!

Until we get rid of bloody Queen Jane and her creeps then nothing will change!

Each time another issue needs voting on they carp on about how they have done this consultation and that consultation but never telling us the decision has already been earmarked and they need take no notice of any results from a consultation anyway.

Community led projects can only work if the volunteer work force is in abundance and with so many having to work long hours to make ends meet I guess there isn't any energy left at the end of the day.
Unfortunately come the next election the same shower will be re-elected as nobody will take a chance on other political parties having a go instead of the nasty party ruling everybody and everything! Until we get rid of bloody Queen Jane and her creeps then nothing will change! Each time another issue needs voting on they carp on about how they have done this consultation and that consultation but never telling us the decision has already been earmarked and they need take no notice of any results from a consultation anyway. Community led projects can only work if the volunteer work force is in abundance and with so many having to work long hours to make ends meet I guess there isn't any energy left at the end of the day. gingin
  • Score: 9

4:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

politepanda says...

There is no money "in the pot" as a result of these redundancies - they have a specific saving of stupid numbers of millions to make across the board.
The ONLY significant new SPEND made was in relation to wage rises for the senior council exec.'s & the obscenely huge hike in allowances for the top dogs. And the amazingly badly timed refurb of all the council hub sites. Ask JS how much they spent on TAPS in the new kitchens they've installed in wilts......
Something - as ever - stinks at wilts council....... and it's not jut JS's attitude.
There is no money "in the pot" as a result of these redundancies - they have a specific saving of stupid numbers of millions to make across the board. The ONLY significant new SPEND made was in relation to wage rises for the senior council exec.'s & the obscenely huge hike in allowances for the top dogs. And the amazingly badly timed refurb of all the council hub sites. Ask JS how much they spent on TAPS in the new kitchens they've installed in wilts...... Something - as ever - stinks at wilts council....... and it's not jut JS's attitude. politepanda
  • Score: 11

5:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

kimcrawley says...

Spot on politepanda ! We are all the victims of clowns like Queen Jane, she and her court have proved time and time again that they are unable to perform the duties they receive huge allowances for.
What they are good at belongs in a banana republic, they are treating ordinary people who over the years have paid for and rely on the services that have been outsourced to tory party donors.
Completely incompetent, morally bankrupt and downright corrupt.
Spot on politepanda ! We are all the victims of clowns like Queen Jane, she and her court have proved time and time again that they are unable to perform the duties they receive huge allowances for. What they are good at belongs in a banana republic, they are treating ordinary people who over the years have paid for and rely on the services that have been outsourced to tory party donors. Completely incompetent, morally bankrupt and downright corrupt. kimcrawley
  • Score: 8

12:44am Thu 31 Jul 14

brandx says...

The hidden story of the Youth Service cuts is the speedy way Wiltshire Council is selling off the old Youth Services premises. This is happening in Bradford on Avon, Melksham and Trowbridge and doubtless elsewhere in the county. In theory youth facilities could be available in the much promised community campuses. In reality it will be many years before most of these are built. I can't see anything happening in Trowbridge for years.

All looks good on paper. Different story out there with the youngsters.
The hidden story of the Youth Service cuts is the speedy way Wiltshire Council is selling off the old Youth Services premises. This is happening in Bradford on Avon, Melksham and Trowbridge and doubtless elsewhere in the county. In theory youth facilities could be available in the much promised community campuses. In reality it will be many years before most of these are built. I can't see anything happening in Trowbridge for years. All looks good on paper. Different story out there with the youngsters. brandx
  • Score: 5

7:06am Thu 31 Jul 14

lokalgirl says...

Nero played his fiddle while Rome burned.... fire what fire??? Just about sums up Scotts' council, except they're on the fiddle (expense increases, extortionate pay, jolly's all at our expense) while everyone else is struggling. Don't keep cutting services....... cut your wages. Let the public see you have a care.
Nero played his fiddle while Rome burned.... fire what fire??? Just about sums up Scotts' council, except they're on the fiddle (expense increases, extortionate pay, jolly's all at our expense) while everyone else is struggling. Don't keep cutting services....... cut your wages. Let the public see you have a care. lokalgirl
  • Score: 9

7:12am Thu 31 Jul 14

lokalgirl says...

........The new model will see a more community-led approach, with youth services............
..... Oh, by the way, a community-led approach does not work. As an example read the first story about the vulnerable gentleman who was threatened and robbed. His attackers got a few months yet they threatened his life. What hope is there to support and protect children if they're youth services are cut.
........The new model will see a more community-led approach, with youth services............ ..... Oh, by the way, a community-led approach does not work. As an example read the first story about the vulnerable gentleman who was threatened and robbed. His attackers got a few months yet they threatened his life. What hope is there to support and protect children if they're youth services are cut. lokalgirl
  • Score: 8

2:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

politepanda says...

brandx wrote:
The hidden story of the Youth Service cuts is the speedy way Wiltshire Council is selling off the old Youth Services premises. This is happening in Bradford on Avon, Melksham and Trowbridge and doubtless elsewhere in the county. In theory youth facilities could be available in the much promised community campuses. In reality it will be many years before most of these are built. I can't see anything happening in Trowbridge for years.

All looks good on paper. Different story out there with the youngsters.
Absolutely on the money.
Like the councillor who told the BOA kids: "
I have NOT lied to you. I said that your youth clubs/events would NOT end - and they won't. There MAY be a few weeks between the old services closing and the new beginning - but the services will continue exactly as I stated"
(Not verbatim - but not bad for general accuracy)
Like the skate park that was going to be replaced in Chippenham when it was ripped down. It's been a few weeks but the council has every INTENTION of replacing it.
630 + weeks probably ISN'T a long time to elderly nimby's and self-seeking councillors. But, after 630 weeks a proportion of those teenagers now have kids of their own - and the remainder are probably 10yrs too old.
Don't hold your breath waiting, kids.
[quote][p][bold]brandx[/bold] wrote: The hidden story of the Youth Service cuts is the speedy way Wiltshire Council is selling off the old Youth Services premises. This is happening in Bradford on Avon, Melksham and Trowbridge and doubtless elsewhere in the county. In theory youth facilities could be available in the much promised community campuses. In reality it will be many years before most of these are built. I can't see anything happening in Trowbridge for years. All looks good on paper. Different story out there with the youngsters.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the money. Like the councillor who told the BOA kids: " I have NOT lied to you. I said that your youth clubs/events would NOT end - and they won't. There MAY be a few weeks between the old services closing and the new beginning - but the services will continue exactly as I stated" (Not verbatim - but not bad for general accuracy) Like the skate park that was going to be replaced in Chippenham when it was ripped down. It's been a few weeks but the council has every INTENTION of replacing it. 630 + weeks probably ISN'T a long time to elderly nimby's and self-seeking councillors. But, after 630 weeks a proportion of those teenagers now have kids of their own - and the remainder are probably 10yrs too old. Don't hold your breath waiting, kids. politepanda
  • Score: 6

11:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Ruby Flicker says...

Seems like more funding for the middle class residents who engage with the Area Boards and less for the kids who really need the youth service. Is this really the best solution for the young people of Wiltshire or simply another money saving/PR exercise?
Seems like more funding for the middle class residents who engage with the Area Boards and less for the kids who really need the youth service. Is this really the best solution for the young people of Wiltshire or simply another money saving/PR exercise? Ruby Flicker
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

whatisgoingon says...

Ruby Flicker wrote:
Seems like more funding for the middle class residents who engage with the Area Boards and less for the kids who really need the youth service. Is this really the best solution for the young people of Wiltshire or simply another money saving/PR exercise?
You are so right, that is what will happen.
[quote][p][bold]Ruby Flicker[/bold] wrote: Seems like more funding for the middle class residents who engage with the Area Boards and less for the kids who really need the youth service. Is this really the best solution for the young people of Wiltshire or simply another money saving/PR exercise?[/p][/quote]You are so right, that is what will happen. whatisgoingon
  • Score: 3

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