Warminster drug grower avoids prison (From Wiltshire Times)

We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the safest and most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.

CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told..

"..which is home to his five-year-old child, and filled it with cannabis plants." Purposely provocative words trying to paint a picture of a 'bad' man. But what has this man really done wrong?

It also sounds like he was somewhat coerced into admitting he gave some to his friends.

Also "skunk" is not the name of the flower buds of the plant. It is a propaganda term used by the media to describe all herbal cannabis. Skunk is only one of hundreds of different varieties of cannabis. Do your research please!

It is ridiculous and disgusting how cannabis users have been demonised and persecuted for many years now because of the so called 'war on drugs'. Even though it is recognised as a medicinal herb that treats many ailments (and it is many times less harmful than alcohol), our government denies its medicinal benefits. .

All the while allowing GW Pharmaceuticals to manufacture and sell Sativex around the world.

Our laws are a disgrace and our government a bunch of corrupt criminals!

So this man grew cannabis, avoided association with drug dealers, deprived them of his money and hes being punished for this? Isn't one way of putting dealers out of business is to grow your own? Oh wait, if people done that then it may pose a threat to GW pharma. Another waste of tax payers money for this victimless crime.

The misuse of the term Skunk is all to common these days.

''They found 14 mature cannabis plants in the basement and two jars in a bedroom wardrobe with almost 38 grams of flowering heads, known as skunk.''

That whole sentence makes absolutely no sense! Skunk is slang for cannabis, and originally described selectively bred non pollinated female cannabis plants. Then in the 1980's the Dutch developed a strain of cannabis called 'Skunk#1'. Basically just the name of a very specific cannabis strain. Saying he grew cannabis, and the flower tops are called skunk is beyond ridiculous! Skunk is just a name, like 'White Widow' or 'Purple haze' not all cannabis strains are skunk, in fact very few are. But I guess if you have an agenda to push, then, from the prohibitionist point of view, "Skunk, mind-bending super-potent drug scourge" works better than "selectively bred cross-pollinated plant".

Further more, cannabis needs to be legally regulated and taxed. Its easier for children to obtain cannabis than alcohol and tobacco, simply because prohibition disallows regulation. Prohibition is not a magic trick and cannabis wont disappear by making it illegal. In fact prohibition has gifted this market to organized crime, which has created a situation much worse, and created much more dangers than cannabis ever could. When a country legally regulates cannabis, the use goes down and age of first use goes up. Dealers lose their job, and the black market is delivered a serious blow. Why doesnt the government legalise this plant safer than alcohol and tobacco? Its more about personal prejudices, corrupt/cowardly politicians and money, as opposed to science, evidence, expert advice or our safety. Professor Terrie Moffitt said cannabis is safe for adults, but a risk for under 18's. Be careful professor, speaking the truth may get you sacked. Remember Professor Nutt?

There are also numerous studies linking cannabis use to mental health problems, but I guess you choose only quote studies that support your argument.

€d wrote:
There are also numerous studies linking cannabis use to mental health problems, but I guess you choose only quote studies that support your argument.

What you just said supports my argument though, its another example of why cannabis should be legally regulated, instead of gifting it to criminals. Even though alcohol users have a higher chance of developing mental health problems, some do experience negative side effects from abusing cannabis. I think your 0.003% likely to suffer serious psychological problems from cannabis, but once again alcohol is much worse, psychologically and physically. I think if you really wanted to look in to the studies done on cannabis, you will find the benefits out weigh the negatives every time, and most of the negatives are blown out of proportion by the media and our leaders. Its a medicine, all medicine have side effects. Cannabis is the safest medicine on Earth, and doesn't need synthesizing or extracting.

Thepoint is that the court is only enforcing the law. If you don't like the law, ask your MP to bring a bill to change it, but until then, observe it. If everyone ignored laws because they didn't like them, pedophiles would have free run, drivers would get paralytic and drive, anarchy would reign.

old 'arry wrote:
Thepoint is that the court is only enforcing the law. If you don't like the law, ask your MP to bring a bill to change it, but until then, observe it. If everyone ignored laws because they didn't like them, pedophiles would have free run, drivers would get paralytic and drive, anarchy would reign.

Massive difference old 'arry. Paedophiles and paralytic drivers are committing crimes which have victims. Cannabis users are disobeying a law which seeks to control their personal behaviour based on a whim of the state which has no basis in common sense or science.

nice one old 'arry. I tried to open a dialogue with my MP, my MEP and the home office directly. The only response is "drugs are bad, you mustn't do them"

wasn't it martin luther king that said "There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all... One who breaks an unjust law must do it openly, lovingly...I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law."
You also touched on paedophiles. I don't think cannabis users and kiddie fiddlers are quite in the same bracket of crime. I'm not seeing too many legalise sex with minors websites or lobby groups. I do see millions of people world wide being persecuted for choosing cannabis over state sponsored alcohol.

Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this. He admitted it was not just for personal use in the end. I had a friend who started on cannabis and got bored of it so worked her way up to heroin before dying. I am not disputing the beneficial properties in this drug for certain illnesses, in legal medications prescribed by doctors. Having young kids who i discuss illegal drugs with puts me in the hope they would come to me if they were ever offered drugs, hopefully never take them as well. The more dealers off the streets the better, the law is the law and while it does not change what this bloke did was illegal and i am glad he has got something for his actions, i hope social services are aware of what this child was growing up around. Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.

I agree with you redrum, the more dealers off the streets the better. If decriminalisation and regulation were brought in the street dealers would be put out of business at a stroke - along with most of the crime associted with it.
In my opinion the situation where we have the State telling us what we can or can't consensually do with our own bodies is tantamount to slavery.

redrum wrote:
Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this. He admitted it was not just for personal use in the end. I had a friend who started on cannabis and got bored of it so worked her way up to heroin before dying. I am not disputing the beneficial properties in this drug for certain illnesses, in legal medications prescribed by doctors. Having young kids who i discuss illegal drugs with puts me in the hope they would come to me if they were ever offered drugs, hopefully never take them as well. The more dealers off the streets the better, the law is the law and while it does not change what this bloke did was illegal and i am glad he has got something for his actions, i hope social services are aware of what this child was growing up around. Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.

Absolute rubbish. Even our prohibitionist government doesn't agree with you. See the ACMD cannabis report of 2008 which says that acquisitive crime is not connected with cannabis use.

In your ignorant and arrogant way which is so characteristic of people who have no idea what they're talking about, you're conflating the behaviour of alcohol, heroin and cocaine addicts with cannabis users.

We'll get the dealers off the streets by taking responsibility instead of abdicating from it and making cannabis available to adults only through licensed outlets

cannabis used by young people affects thier IQ in later life,me thinks a few ot you people are a good example,driving under the influence of cannabis is as bad as drink driving,more imformation coming out every week

melkshamwizard wrote:
cannabis used by young people affects thier IQ in later life,me thinks a few ot you people are a good example,driving under the influence of cannabis is as bad as drink driving,more imformation coming out every week

Cannabis isnt safe for young people? REALLY? I though that was common knowledge, its not news.

Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London Confirms Cannabis Is Safe For Adults.

Professor Terrie Moffitt, from the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London, who took part in the study, said:

“It’s such a special study that I’m fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.”

Thats news

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I agree with you redrum, the more dealers off the streets the better. If decriminalisation and regulation were brought in the street dealers would be put out of business at a stroke - along with most of the crime associted with it.
In my opinion the situation where we have the State telling us what we can or can't consensually do with our own bodies is tantamount to slavery.

You think by prohibiting cannabis it gets dealers off the streets? You got it the other way round, the only reason why dealers sell cannabis is because the government don't legally regulate it. In countries that regulate cannabis, associated crime and the amount of cannabis dealers decline. Young people find it harder to obtain. Right now all a dealer needs to see is a £20 note, prohibition keeps them in business LONG TERM. Sure it may jail afew foot soldiers as their boss counts the cash, but in the long term dealers will continue to sell cannabis to who ever what ever age unless the government take control.

melkshamwizard wrote:
cannabis used by young people affects thier IQ in later life,me thinks a few ot you people are a good example,driving under the influence of cannabis is as bad as drink driving,more imformation coming out every week

Any psychoactive substance can harm the developing brain. Alcohol is probably the most dangerous of all. As the study also showed "cannabis is safe for over-18 brains" which is more than you can say about alcohol.

On driving, clearly no one should drive while impaired at all but according to a recent study in Sweden, cannabis impairs driving ability far, far less than alcohol to about the same degree as anti-histamines and penicillin - very little in fact.

redrum wrote:
Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this. He admitted it was not just for personal use in the end. I had a friend who started on cannabis and got bored of it so worked her way up to heroin before dying. I am not disputing the beneficial properties in this drug for certain illnesses, in legal medications prescribed by doctors. Having young kids who i discuss illegal drugs with puts me in the hope they would come to me if they were ever offered drugs, hopefully never take them as well. The more dealers off the streets the better, the law is the law and while it does not change what this bloke did was illegal and i am glad he has got something for his actions, i hope social services are aware of what this child was growing up around. Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.

''Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this''

Nonsense, the type to steal for cannabis would do the same for alcohol so its down to the individuals personality. The danger is, if the cannabis user cannot afford it, the dealer will give him some until he can pay back. If the user doesn't pay back on time, he gets threatened with death, so he may feel inclined to steal to save his life. This is down to prohibition allowing criminals control over the cannabis market. So many people are completely misinformed about cannabis and the dangers of prohibition.

''The more dealers off the streets the better,''

You think its going to make a difference in the long term? As long as this policy disallows legal regulation cannabis be ALWAYS be sold by crooks. Dont tell me your happier with cannabis sold by thugs and criminals as opposed to professionals and licensed retailers?

''Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.''

Would you be saying that if he was brewing alcohol, even though its MUCH more harmful and toxic than cannabis?

If you like it or not this is the way the law is at the minute. Would it bother me if fags and alcohol were banned substances either-no. A glass of wine at xmas if i am not at work is the most me and my husband consume. Filthy habbits they are as well and no good example to children. There is a difference between having the odd drink and being half cut in front of children. Any decent parent spends their money on their kids necessities for life becasue i know as working parents we could not afford booze or fags every week anyway.When i see parents smoking over them and in cars i feel sick. Drugs are no better in my eyes not even cannabis.

melkshamwizard wrote:
cannabis used by young people affects thier IQ in later life,me thinks a few ot you people are a good example,driving under the influence of cannabis is as bad as drink driving,more imformation coming out every week

nice bit of cherry picking. if you are referring to the paper released this week you will also have noted that prof terri moffitt said and i quote "I am fairly confident cannabis is SAFE for over 18 brains" Could you please please please show me the cannabis activist that thinks for a single second its a good idea to give psychoactive substances to children..... just show me one.
fyi heres a little youtube clip of 5th gear doing a piece on driving while under the influence of cannabis
http://www.youtube.c
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seriously, if you must comment you should find a topic that you have some knowledge of first

@s1nnah

Nicely said, and good vid, saw it years ago on TV and it basically confirmed what I already thought.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I agree with you redrum, the more dealers off the streets the better. If decriminalisation and regulation were brought in the street dealers would be put out of business at a stroke - along with most of the crime associted with it.
In my opinion the situation where we have the State telling us what we can or can't consensually do with our own bodies is tantamount to slavery.

You think by prohibiting cannabis it gets dealers off the streets? You got it the other way round, the only reason why dealers sell cannabis is because the government don't legally regulate it. In countries that regulate cannabis, associated crime and the amount of cannabis dealers decline. Young people find it harder to obtain. Right now all a dealer needs to see is a £20 note, prohibition keeps them in business LONG TERM. Sure it may jail afew foot soldiers as their boss counts the cash, but in the long term dealers will continue to sell cannabis to who ever what ever age unless the government take control.

I think you'll find I'm saying the same thing as you are.

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese

l wrote:

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I agree with you redrum, the more dealers off the streets the better. If decriminalisation and regulation were brought in the street dealers would be put out of business at a stroke - along with most of the crime associted with it.
In my opinion the situation where we have the State telling us what we can or can't consensually do with our own bodies is tantamount to slavery.

You think by prohibiting cannabis it gets dealers off the streets? You got it the other way round, the only reason why dealers sell cannabis is because the government don't legally regulate it. In countries that regulate cannabis, associated crime and the amount of cannabis dealers decline. Young people find it harder to obtain. Right now all a dealer needs to see is a £20 note, prohibition keeps them in business LONG TERM. Sure it may jail afew foot soldiers as their boss counts the cash, but in the long term dealers will continue to sell cannabis to who ever what ever age unless the government take control.

I think you'll find I'm saying the same thing as you are.

@Mrs Donnyfly

Glad we are on the same page

@superSilversourDeee
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cheers m8, I think the supporters of criminalising hard working tax paying citizens for smoking or growing percy secretly realise they are losing the battle.
We know the governbent realise this but are too afraid to act for fear of upsetting these socially inept Luddite's.
regulation is the ONLY way forward and the ONLY way to protect our children. Of course it won't keep them in cotton wool but it's a step in the right direction

funny how some people can twist things to suit thier own cause,if its legalised like tobacco young people will still find ways to obtain it illegally

melkshamwizard wrote:
funny how some people can twist things to suit thier own cause,if its legalised like tobacco young people will still find ways to obtain it illegally

Of course they will but WAKEY! WAKEY! - it will minimise the problem. At present we have abandoned our children to street dealers. It is easier for them to obtain cannabis than alcohol or cigarettes.

This isn't some theoretical possibility that might happen. It is happening now. We need to take responsibility and take control of the cannabis market not just try to sweep it under the carpet and hope it will go away.

Holland - a country probably best suited to provide statistics, reports, evidence etc., etc on the use/effects of cannabis - are about to change their laws regarding it's use.
The intention is to end the cannabis tourist trade - then to introduce the beginning of ever-tightening regulations in relation to the use of the grubby weed by it's own people.
I wonder why? Do they know more than our homegrown armchair experts? Highly likely.

notscot wrote:
Holland - a country probably best suited to provide statistics, reports, evidence etc., etc on the use/effects of cannabis - are about to change their laws regarding it's use.
The intention is to end the cannabis tourist trade - then to introduce the beginning of ever-tightening regulations in relation to the use of the grubby weed by it's own people.
I wonder why? Do they know more than our homegrown armchair experts? Highly likely.

No, the initiative in Holland is led by the grubby far right politicians who are using it to show how "tough" they are.

The mayors of Amsterdam and all the major cities are opposed to it Where it has already come into force around Maastricht it has led immediately to an increase in street crime and violence. People who want to buy cannabis are now being offered heroin and cocaine as they are by illegal dealers in Britain.

It will never stick. The Dutch elections on 12th September will throw it out.

In Holland anyone may grow up to five cannabis plants without far of prosecution or of the sort of bigoted, hate filled, science-denying abuse that comes from people like Notscot.

If you support prohibition you support organised crime.

Babs Stanley wrote:

notscot wrote:
Holland - a country probably best suited to provide statistics, reports, evidence etc., etc on the use/effects of cannabis - are about to change their laws regarding it's use.
The intention is to end the cannabis tourist trade - then to introduce the beginning of ever-tightening regulations in relation to the use of the grubby weed by it's own people.
I wonder why? Do they know more than our homegrown armchair experts? Highly likely.

No, the initiative in Holland is led by the grubby far right politicians who are using it to show how "tough" they are.

The mayors of Amsterdam and all the major cities are opposed to it Where it has already come into force around Maastricht it has led immediately to an increase in street crime and violence. People who want to buy cannabis are now being offered heroin and cocaine as they are by illegal dealers in Britain.

It will never stick. The Dutch elections on 12th September will throw it out.

In Holland anyone may grow up to five cannabis plants without far of prosecution or of the sort of bigoted, hate filled, science-denying abuse that comes from people like Notscot.

If you support prohibition you support organised crime.

Oh of course!!!
They don't share your opinion so therefore they can't possibly know what they're talking about and must only be nasty little bigots determined to "ruin" people's lives!!!
Bigoted & hate-filled.?
Drama Queen.
I dislike cannabis, it's effects & the smell.
I dislike apologists - such as yourself - blaming everyone but those involved in the illegal production of the stuff.
If you feel the need to use the stuff - fine.
But in this country using or cultivating can get you arrested. You all know that - but STILL you blame everyone else!! You're ridiculous.
Get off your platitudes & campaign for a change in the law. And stop whining.

No, Notscut, you're the nasty little bigot and it's all in your own words.

Babs Stanley wrote:
No, Notscut, you're the nasty little bigot and it's all in your own words.

Please - show me where I've said anything that is either (as opposed to the appalling claim YOU'VE made) bigoted or nasty.
Am I bigoted simply because I don't like the smell of cannabis - and don't have any use for it?
Am I nasty because I've pointed out that the cultivation of the stuff is illegal in the UK, and that UK residents are fully aware that the cultivation of cannabis is illegal, with the exception of some children? Or that people who face arrest for it's use/cultivation are responsible for their own actions?

notscot wrote:
Holland - a country probably best suited to provide statistics, reports, evidence etc., etc on the use/effects of cannabis - are about to change their laws regarding it's use.
The intention is to end the cannabis tourist trade - then to introduce the beginning of ever-tightening regulations in relation to the use of the grubby weed by it's own people.
I wonder why? Do they know more than our homegrown armchair experts? Highly likely.

And now more illegal cannabis dealers roam the streets as a result. Well done, Your ideals shared with the very misguided right wing (current) Dutch government has gifted criminals even more money and control. Richard Branson wrote a very strong statement to the Dutch government telling them how big of a mistake that move was. And in Amsterdam, coffee shop owners protest and still accept tourists.
It was a wrong move and your mistaken if you think it had anything to do with the effects of the cannabis itself. Many agree that the rules regarding tourists will revert back because of how pointless, uneconomical and dangerous they are. Cannabis users are MUCH more civilized than alcohol drinkers, and even though cannabis isn't harmless, alcohol is still MUCH worse for you physically and psychologically. Its also recently been proven than cannabis is safe for adults to use.Take your misguided prejudices else where.

I've gone from nasty & bigoted to misguided and prejudiced!
Now - could you point out my misguided prejudice, please?
What is either, in relation to "I don't like or use cannabis" and "those who use or cultivate cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest".
They're facts, pure & simple.

notscot wrote:
I've gone from nasty & bigoted to misguided and prejudiced!
Now - could you point out my misguided prejudice, please?
What is either, in relation to "I don't like or use cannabis" and "those who use or cultivate cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest".
They're facts, pure & simple.

No you;'re all of those things notscot and you have no idea of the difference between a fact and the sort of hate-filled, prejudicail bile which spills out of you.

Babs Stanley wrote:

notscot wrote:
I've gone from nasty & bigoted to misguided and prejudiced!
Now - could you point out my misguided prejudice, please?
What is either, in relation to "I don't like or use cannabis" and "those who use or cultivate cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest".
They're facts, pure & simple.

No you;'re all of those things notscot and you have no idea of the difference between a fact and the sort of hate-filled, prejudicail bile which spills out of you.

IT IS A FACT that I don't use or like cannabis.
IT IS A FACT that those involved in the use'cultivation of cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest.
So - point me in the direct of the hate (?!!).
Show me the prejudice.
Bile? Do you mean difference of opinion?
Now - which one of us - in a hate-filled rant - accused two police officers of being personally responsible for the deaths of serving soldiers?
I believe that was you.
Which one of us said: "No, the initiative in Holland is led by the grubby far right" Hmmm - seems you'd be more likely to know about hate, prejudice & bile.
And I STILL don't like cannabis - I STILL believe those involved in it's use or cultivation are responsible for their own actions - and fully understand that those actions may lead to arrest.

notscot wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

notscot wrote:
I've gone from nasty & bigoted to misguided and prejudiced!
Now - could you point out my misguided prejudice, please?
What is either, in relation to "I don't like or use cannabis" and "those who use or cultivate cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest".
They're facts, pure & simple.

No you;'re all of those things notscot and you have no idea of the difference between a fact and the sort of hate-filled, prejudicail bile which spills out of you.

IT IS A FACT that I don't use or like cannabis.
IT IS A FACT that those involved in the use'cultivation of cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest.
So - point me in the direct of the hate (?!!).
Show me the prejudice.
Bile? Do you mean difference of opinion?
Now - which one of us - in a hate-filled rant - accused two police officers of being personally responsible for the deaths of serving soldiers?
I believe that was you.
Which one of us said: "No, the initiative in Holland is led by the grubby far right" Hmmm - seems you'd be more likely to know about hate, prejudice & bile.
And I STILL don't like cannabis - I STILL believe those involved in it's use or cultivation are responsible for their own actions - and fully understand that those actions may lead to arrest.

I think we all know not every one likes cannabis, mostly because its illegal, and mostly because of what they read in the Daily mail which forms a prejudice. I think we all know (apart from GW pharma) cannabis cultivation is illegal at this moment in time in the UK, even if your using it for medicinal benefit. Saying things that are common knowledge gets us no where. Its about what we can do to move forward, and i personally do think your misguided if you think the Dutch government done the right thing. They didnt do anything to move forward, just when they where being a great example of how a regulated cannabis system decreases crime and young people smoking it. (Holland - one of the lowest hard drug use in Europe, which is thought to be because cannabis is openly available to adults, and differentiates cannabis and hard drugs. First use is around 21 and prior to the banning of tourists, illegal cannabis dealers where extremely unsuccessful.) No one is saying you aren't allowed your opinion, but think about what your opinion supports. You dont have to like cannabis, but you gotta hate prohibition. I dont like booze, haven't drunk a drop in years it effects me bad, but I wouldn't dream of prohibiting it because of my experience or because I would want to see less people drinking. Because in reality, it wouldn't stop anyone drinking as you find out when researching what happened when America prohibited alcohol. As many experts have said, (no they probably dislike cannabis as well, but know its safer than beer) When a country decriminalizes and or brings cannabis into a regulated market, the use goes down and age of first use goes up. Associated crimes decrease along with the amount of cannabis dealers. Its not theory now its statistical fact. You can hate cannabis all you want, but what you should be hating is prohibition for disallowing any type of regulation making cannabis easier for kids to obtain than alcohol and tobacco. The current policy is more dangerous than the weed itself.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

notscot wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

notscot wrote:
I've gone from nasty & bigoted to misguided and prejudiced!
Now - could you point out my misguided prejudice, please?
What is either, in relation to "I don't like or use cannabis" and "those who use or cultivate cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest".
They're facts, pure & simple.

No you;'re all of those things notscot and you have no idea of the difference between a fact and the sort of hate-filled, prejudicail bile which spills out of you.

IT IS A FACT that I don't use or like cannabis.
IT IS A FACT that those involved in the use'cultivation of cannabis in the UK do so KNOWING they face arrest.
So - point me in the direct of the hate (?!!).
Show me the prejudice.
Bile? Do you mean difference of opinion?
Now - which one of us - in a hate-filled rant - accused two police officers of being personally responsible for the deaths of serving soldiers?
I believe that was you.
Which one of us said: "No, the initiative in Holland is led by the grubby far right" Hmmm - seems you'd be more likely to know about hate, prejudice & bile.
And I STILL don't like cannabis - I STILL believe those involved in it's use or cultivation are responsible for their own actions - and fully understand that those actions may lead to arrest.

I think we all know not every one likes cannabis, mostly because its illegal, and mostly because of what they read in the Daily mail which forms a prejudice. I think we all know (apart from GW pharma) cannabis cultivation is illegal at this moment in time in the UK, even if your using it for medicinal benefit. Saying things that are common knowledge gets us no where. Its about what we can do to move forward, and i personally do think your misguided if you think the Dutch government done the right thing. They didnt do anything to move forward, just when they where being a great example of how a regulated cannabis system decreases crime and young people smoking it. (Holland - one of the lowest hard drug use in Europe, which is thought to be because cannabis is openly available to adults, and differentiates cannabis and hard drugs. First use is around 21 and prior to the banning of tourists, illegal cannabis dealers where extremely unsuccessful.) No one is saying you aren't allowed your opinion, but think about what your opinion supports. You dont have to like cannabis, but you gotta hate prohibition. I dont like booze, haven't drunk a drop in years it effects me bad, but I wouldn't dream of prohibiting it because of my experience or because I would want to see less people drinking. Because in reality, it wouldn't stop anyone drinking as you find out when researching what happened when America prohibited alcohol. As many experts have said, (no they probably dislike cannabis as well, but know its safer than beer) When a country decriminalizes and or brings cannabis into a regulated market, the use goes down and age of first use goes up. Associated crimes decrease along with the amount of cannabis dealers. Its not theory now its statistical fact. You can hate cannabis all you want, but what you should be hating is prohibition for disallowing any type of regulation making cannabis easier for kids to obtain than alcohol and tobacco. The current policy is more dangerous than the weed itself.

Couldnt have put it better myself. Some people just cant see the wood through the trees. *cough* notscot *cough*

Why do you think that "most" people don't like cannabis because it's illegal?
You seem to make it up as you go along.
I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks. And I can't imagine for one moment why anyone would think it pleasant to sit around in a haze of eau de grubby socks. (You really think most of us need the Daily Mistake to guide our decision making?!!)
Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs!
(apart from those who say they need it for medical reasons)
As I said - you want legalisation & regulation? Go for it, get your campaign underway.
I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law.
Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade. You sound desperate to promote it as a healthy recreational drug.
Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?

notscot wrote:
Why do you think that "most" people don't like cannabis because it's illegal?
You seem to make it up as you go along.
I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks. And I can't imagine for one moment why anyone would think it pleasant to sit around in a haze of eau de grubby socks. (You really think most of us need the Daily Mistake to guide our decision making?!!)
Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs!
(apart from those who say they need it for medical reasons)
As I said - you want legalisation & regulation? Go for it, get your campaign underway.
I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law.
Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade. You sound desperate to promote it as a healthy recreational drug.
Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?

Opinions aside, that comment shows how much you know of cannabis.

''You seem to make it up as you go along. I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks.''

Thats an opinion, each different strain of cannabis has a different smell/taste due to the terpins and flavournoids. I know a few non smokers who love the smell, but wouldn't smoke it because they haven't got a medical condition. Personally I dislike the smell of urine and stale beer when I walk past a pub.
I wont use that as a for or against though.

''Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs! ''

No one needs beer, or tea or cigarettes but as humans we do these things to unwind. At least with cannabis, its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Some people do need cannabis, not just want, NEED. Cannabis is medicinal, and im not talking about a synthesized version of THC, the natural flower has all the cannabinoids needed for good health. You cannot say the same for tobacco and alcohol, that it can be safely used medicinally and recreationally. I haven't the time to sit here a type out a list of conditions cannabis helps with. Also, many believe the CBD in cannabis should be taken as a preventative for many conditions and disorders including cancer.

''Go for it, get your campaign underway. I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law. ''

Yes the law is always right, and always there to protect us, or maybe not, remember segregation? I agree the person growing cannabis or using it is breaking the law, but its an unjust law not based on any science or expert advice.

''Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade.''

Difference is the scientists we listen to are non biased and dont work for cannabis companies (they dont exist) they simply reveal the truth and it is shocking. Cannabis is extremely medicinal and smoking pure cannabis is MUCH less dangerous than smoking tobacco. Cannabis does contain carcinogens, but it also contains cannabinoids which experts believe play a protective, anti cancer role. The same cannot be said for tobacco which kills millions, cannabis hasn't killed anyone ever.

''Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?''

You have got some serious research to do. Also is something missing from a persons life when he chooses to drink beer, or caffeine? We need cannabis, and im not even talking about smoking it or getting high. You really should do some research on Hemp, the medicinal value in cannabis and also how safe it is to use for responsible adults. And while your researching, maybe find out why it became illegal in the first place. :) good luck..

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

notscot wrote:
Why do you think that "most" people don't like cannabis because it's illegal?
You seem to make it up as you go along.
I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks. And I can't imagine for one moment why anyone would think it pleasant to sit around in a haze of eau de grubby socks. (You really think most of us need the Daily Mistake to guide our decision making?!!)
Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs!
(apart from those who say they need it for medical reasons)
As I said - you want legalisation & regulation? Go for it, get your campaign underway.
I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law.
Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade. You sound desperate to promote it as a healthy recreational drug.
Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?

Opinions aside, that comment shows how much you know of cannabis.

''You seem to make it up as you go along. I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks.''

Thats an opinion, each different strain of cannabis has a different smell/taste due to the terpins and flavournoids. I know a few non smokers who love the smell, but wouldn't smoke it because they haven't got a medical condition. Personally I dislike the smell of urine and stale beer when I walk past a pub.
I wont use that as a for or against though.

''Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs! ''

No one needs beer, or tea or cigarettes but as humans we do these things to unwind. At least with cannabis, its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Some people do need cannabis, not just want, NEED. Cannabis is medicinal, and im not talking about a synthesized version of THC, the natural flower has all the cannabinoids needed for good health. You cannot say the same for tobacco and alcohol, that it can be safely used medicinally and recreationally. I haven't the time to sit here a type out a list of conditions cannabis helps with. Also, many believe the CBD in cannabis should be taken as a preventative for many conditions and disorders including cancer.

''Go for it, get your campaign underway. I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law. ''

Yes the law is always right, and always there to protect us, or maybe not, remember segregation? I agree the person growing cannabis or using it is breaking the law, but its an unjust law not based on any science or expert advice.

''Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade.''

Difference is the scientists we listen to are non biased and dont work for cannabis companies (they dont exist) they simply reveal the truth and it is shocking. Cannabis is extremely medicinal and smoking pure cannabis is MUCH less dangerous than smoking tobacco. Cannabis does contain carcinogens, but it also contains cannabinoids which experts believe play a protective, anti cancer role. The same cannot be said for tobacco which kills millions, cannabis hasn't killed anyone ever.

''Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?''

You have got some serious research to do. Also is something missing from a persons life when he chooses to drink beer, or caffeine? We need cannabis, and im not even talking about smoking it or getting high. You really should do some research on Hemp, the medicinal value in cannabis and also how safe it is to use for responsible adults. And while your researching, maybe find out why it became illegal in the first place. :) good luck..

Don't put the 2 comments together as though they refer to the same thing, dingbat,
I said: "You seem to make it up as you go along" In reply to a statement made claiming that most people who DON'T try cannabis - don't try it because it's Illegal.
And: I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks".
2 separate remarks - one about an outrageous claim made by someone and the other about what the smell seems like to me.
What in hecks name does that show you about what I may or may not know about cannabis?!!!
Nothing - numpty.
And will you stop wasting your time whining about what you believe is an unjust law - I couldn't care any less than I already do. And if THAT many believe in the decriminalisation of the stuff - changing the law shouldn't be impossible, should it?
I have no interest in your remarks about alcohol.
And as for researching Hemp - what the heck for?
I still find no reason on this planet why intelligent people would want to smoke or eat the stuff.
What YOU choose to do is up to you. Just don't blame anyone else if you get into trouble for using it or growing it, under the current law.
Simple as that.
Now go preach to someone who may have the slightest interest in using it.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l says...
3:57pm Sat 1 Sep 12

redrum wrote:
Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this. He admitted it was not just for personal use in the end. I had a friend who started on cannabis and got bored of it so worked her way up to heroin before dying. I am not disputing the beneficial properties in this drug for certain illnesses, in legal medications prescribed by doctors. Having young kids who i discuss illegal drugs with puts me in the hope they would come to me if they were ever offered drugs, hopefully never take them as well. The more dealers off the streets the better, the law is the law and while it does not change what this bloke did was illegal and i am glad he has got something for his actions, i hope social services are aware of what this child was growing up around. Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.
''Many people who buy cannabis cannot afford it and commit criminal activity which makes victims to pay for this''

Nonsense, the type to steal for cannabis would do the same for alcohol so its down to the individuals personality. The danger is, if the cannabis user cannot afford it, the dealer will give him some until he can pay back. If the user doesn't pay back on time, he gets threatened with death, so he may feel inclined to steal to save his life. This is down to prohibition allowing criminals control over the cannabis market. So many people are completely misinformed about cannabis and the dangers of prohibition.

''The more dealers off the streets the better,''

You think its going to make a difference in the long term? As long as this policy disallows legal regulation cannabis be ALWAYS be sold by crooks. Dont tell me your happier with cannabis sold by thugs and criminals as opposed to professionals and licensed retailers?

''Some people do not deserve to call themselves parents.''

Would you be saying that if he was brewing alcohol, even though its MUCH more harmful and toxic than cannabis?”


Cannabis is illegal and alcohol is legal users of both can be addicted and steal etc but the law states that one can be bought legally and the other illegal and about time the courts backed up the Police and jailed these law breakers.

notscot wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese

l wrote:

notscot wrote:
Why do you think that "most" people don't like cannabis because it's illegal?
You seem to make it up as you go along.
I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks. And I can't imagine for one moment why anyone would think it pleasant to sit around in a haze of eau de grubby socks. (You really think most of us need the Daily Mistake to guide our decision making?!!)
Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs!
(apart from those who say they need it for medical reasons)
As I said - you want legalisation & regulation? Go for it, get your campaign underway.
I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law.
Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade. You sound desperate to promote it as a healthy recreational drug.
Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?

Opinions aside, that comment shows how much you know of cannabis.

''You seem to make it up as you go along. I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks.''

Thats an opinion, each different strain of cannabis has a different smell/taste due to the terpins and flavournoids. I know a few non smokers who love the smell, but wouldn't smoke it because they haven't got a medical condition. Personally I dislike the smell of urine and stale beer when I walk past a pub.
I wont use that as a for or against though.

''Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs! ''

No one needs beer, or tea or cigarettes but as humans we do these things to unwind. At least with cannabis, its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Some people do need cannabis, not just want, NEED. Cannabis is medicinal, and im not talking about a synthesized version of THC, the natural flower has all the cannabinoids needed for good health. You cannot say the same for tobacco and alcohol, that it can be safely used medicinally and recreationally. I haven't the time to sit here a type out a list of conditions cannabis helps with. Also, many believe the CBD in cannabis should be taken as a preventative for many conditions and disorders including cancer.

''Go for it, get your campaign underway. I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law. ''

Yes the law is always right, and always there to protect us, or maybe not, remember segregation? I agree the person growing cannabis or using it is breaking the law, but its an unjust law not based on any science or expert advice.

''Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade.''

Difference is the scientists we listen to are non biased and dont work for cannabis companies (they dont exist) they simply reveal the truth and it is shocking. Cannabis is extremely medicinal and smoking pure cannabis is MUCH less dangerous than smoking tobacco. Cannabis does contain carcinogens, but it also contains cannabinoids which experts believe play a protective, anti cancer role. The same cannot be said for tobacco which kills millions, cannabis hasn't killed anyone ever.

''Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?''

You have got some serious research to do. Also is something missing from a persons life when he chooses to drink beer, or caffeine? We need cannabis, and im not even talking about smoking it or getting high. You really should do some research on Hemp, the medicinal value in cannabis and also how safe it is to use for responsible adults. And while your researching, maybe find out why it became illegal in the first place. :) good luck..

Don't put the 2 comments together as though they refer to the same thing, dingbat,
I said: "You seem to make it up as you go along" In reply to a statement made claiming that most people who DON'T try cannabis - don't try it because it's Illegal.
And: I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks".
2 separate remarks - one about an outrageous claim made by someone and the other about what the smell seems like to me.
What in hecks name does that show you about what I may or may not know about cannabis?!!!
Nothing - numpty.
And will you stop wasting your time whining about what you believe is an unjust law - I couldn't care any less than I already do. And if THAT many believe in the decriminalisation of the stuff - changing the law shouldn't be impossible, should it?
I have no interest in your remarks about alcohol.
And as for researching Hemp - what the heck for?
I still find no reason on this planet why intelligent people would want to smoke or eat the stuff.
What YOU choose to do is up to you. Just don't blame anyone else if you get into trouble for using it or growing it, under the current law.
Simple as that.
Now go preach to someone who may have the slightest interest in using it.

Seem to have missed the point completely and started name calling. But fair enough, and your argument that people dont use cannabis because its illegal isnt so true, as people use cannabis regardless of its legality. The point is harm reduction, the current policy you support causes way more harm than cannabis. If your not even willing to open your mind a bit then im not willing to sit here and explain. The facts are the facts, when a country brings cannabis into a regulated system, drug use goes down and age of first use goes up. Kids find it harder to obtain, because of ID checks and strict regulation, also the forbidden fruit factor is destroyed. To be honest, i would rather see the cannabis market controlled by professionals as opposed to drug dealers who sell to who ever they want. Seems many people are comfy with criminals controlling the market. And ill think you'll find the majority want cannabis legally regulated. Thinking the reason is because people can just get high without being chased by police is a very simplistic view. Its about harm reduction, and every country that tried this saw fantastic results. I dont even use cannabis and I want it legal to see cannabis use for adults only, preventative measures and to see the control taken away from criminals. But most importantly so people can medicate without fear.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

notscot wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese


l wrote:

notscot wrote:
Why do you think that "most" people don't like cannabis because it's illegal?
You seem to make it up as you go along.
I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks. And I can't imagine for one moment why anyone would think it pleasant to sit around in a haze of eau de grubby socks. (You really think most of us need the Daily Mistake to guide our decision making?!!)
Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs!
(apart from those who say they need it for medical reasons)
As I said - you want legalisation & regulation? Go for it, get your campaign underway.
I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law.
Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade. You sound desperate to promote it as a healthy recreational drug.
Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?

Opinions aside, that comment shows how much you know of cannabis.

''You seem to make it up as you go along. I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks.''

Thats an opinion, each different strain of cannabis has a different smell/taste due to the terpins and flavournoids. I know a few non smokers who love the smell, but wouldn't smoke it because they haven't got a medical condition. Personally I dislike the smell of urine and stale beer when I walk past a pub.
I wont use that as a for or against though.

''Seems a shame that you seem to get so worked up about something that no-one really needs! ''

No one needs beer, or tea or cigarettes but as humans we do these things to unwind. At least with cannabis, its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Some people do need cannabis, not just want, NEED. Cannabis is medicinal, and im not talking about a synthesized version of THC, the natural flower has all the cannabinoids needed for good health. You cannot say the same for tobacco and alcohol, that it can be safely used medicinally and recreationally. I haven't the time to sit here a type out a list of conditions cannabis helps with. Also, many believe the CBD in cannabis should be taken as a preventative for many conditions and disorders including cancer.

''Go for it, get your campaign underway. I just get tired of people blaming anyone but the user/grower when the law knocks on the door, as it will do under the current law. ''

Yes the law is always right, and always there to protect us, or maybe not, remember segregation? I agree the person growing cannabis or using it is breaking the law, but its an unjust law not based on any science or expert advice.

''Listening to you is like listening to tobacco companies when they heard the first rumblings of the anti-smoking brigade.''

Difference is the scientists we listen to are non biased and dont work for cannabis companies (they dont exist) they simply reveal the truth and it is shocking. Cannabis is extremely medicinal and smoking pure cannabis is MUCH less dangerous than smoking tobacco. Cannabis does contain carcinogens, but it also contains cannabinoids which experts believe play a protective, anti cancer role. The same cannot be said for tobacco which kills millions, cannabis hasn't killed anyone ever.

''Why do we need it at all - what on earth is missing from our lives that we need so deperately to replace with cannabis?''

You have got some serious research to do. Also is something missing from a persons life when he chooses to drink beer, or caffeine? We need cannabis, and im not even talking about smoking it or getting high. You really should do some research on Hemp, the medicinal value in cannabis and also how safe it is to use for responsible adults. And while your researching, maybe find out why it became illegal in the first place. :) good luck..

Don't put the 2 comments together as though they refer to the same thing, dingbat,
I said: "You seem to make it up as you go along" In reply to a statement made claiming that most people who DON'T try cannabis - don't try it because it's Illegal.
And: I don't like the smell of it - it's like old socks. I don't like the smell of stale tobacco, either. I'm not keen on the smog created by people who use pipes. I don't want to use any of the stuff, thanks".
2 separate remarks - one about an outrageous claim made by someone and the other about what the smell seems like to me.
What in hecks name does that show you about what I may or may not know about cannabis?!!!
Nothing - numpty.
And will you stop wasting your time whining about what you believe is an unjust law - I couldn't care any less than I already do. And if THAT many believe in the decriminalisation of the stuff - changing the law shouldn't be impossible, should it?
I have no interest in your remarks about alcohol.
And as for researching Hemp - what the heck for?
I still find no reason on this planet why intelligent people would want to smoke or eat the stuff.
What YOU choose to do is up to you. Just don't blame anyone else if you get into trouble for using it or growing it, under the current law.
Simple as that.
Now go preach to someone who may have the slightest interest in using it.

Seem to have missed the point completely and started name calling. But fair enough, and your argument that people dont use cannabis because its illegal isnt so true, as people use cannabis regardless of its legality. The point is harm reduction, the current policy you support causes way more harm than cannabis. If your not even willing to open your mind a bit then im not willing to sit here and explain. The facts are the facts, when a country brings cannabis into a regulated system, drug use goes down and age of first use goes up. Kids find it harder to obtain, because of ID checks and strict regulation, also the forbidden fruit factor is destroyed. To be honest, i would rather see the cannabis market controlled by professionals as opposed to drug dealers who sell to who ever they want. Seems many people are comfy with criminals controlling the market. And ill think you'll find the majority want cannabis legally regulated. Thinking the reason is because people can just get high without being chased by police is a very simplistic view. Its about harm reduction, and every country that tried this saw fantastic results. I dont even use cannabis and I want it legal to see cannabis use for adults only, preventative measures and to see the control taken away from criminals. But most importantly so people can medicate without fear.

Would you like to read the post again?!
I never said "most people who don't use cannabis don't use it because it's illegal" - Babs Stanley wrote that! I was telling her that I believed she had made that up!!!
I called one person a numpty because they tried to take two remarks I'd made out of context and hold them up as the sum total of my knowledge of cannabis. But hey - don't let that get in the way of any personal remarks YOU'D like to make.
The whole point of my argument is: If you use or cultivate cannabis under the current law - you could face arrest, and you'll be responsible for your own actions.
I'm fed up of seeing the police blamed for arrests. The law blamed for arrests. The neighbours blamed etc., etc.
To deny the consequences of their actions they cite the current law as unjust.
If it's unjust - get it changed.
I get irritated by people who will blame anyone but themselves when the police knock on the door.
Even more irritated by the likes of Babs Stanley who took it upon herself to lay the blame for the deaths of soldiers at the feet of two local officers - an offensive remark to say the least.
Please listen - YOU do what YOU want to do with cannabis. Just bear in mind the current law and it's consequences.
DON'T waste your time preaching to me - I don't see the need (beyond medical use) for the stuff.
Cannabis for adults only - all through decriminalisation & government regulation? I don't think so.
Medicate without fear? Are you telling me the majority of uses are simply medicating? I don't believe that, either.
"The current policy you support" - no don't drop that one on me either.
One of those "if you aint for us you're against us" statements.
Adults are responsible for their own actions - and for the consequences of them.