Leader in public defence of Wiltshire Council allowances rise

Wiltshire Times: Wiltshire Council leader Jane Scott Wiltshire Council leader Jane Scott

Leader of Wiltshire Council Jane Scott defended the huge increase in councillor allowances today, following weeks of criticism and a petition calling for her resignation.

During November’s full council meeting, members voted in favour of the recommendations by the Independent Remuneration Panel, which has seen Cllr Scott’s allowances increase by 36.5 per cent a year, taking them from £37,335 to £52,227.

Cabinet members’ allowances increased by at least 22 per cent, rising from £15,101 to £18,433 a year, while councillors’ basic allowances went up by one per cent to £12,289 a year.

The move caused public outrage and prompted business consultant Paul Gaunt to set up a petition calling for Cllr Scott and her cabinet to resign, which has received over 2,000 signatures.

However, Cllr Scott says that the allowances rise was justified.

In a first public statement on the issue, she said: “The independent panel felt they had got it wrong in 2009, so we were not at the right level for the responsibility we have.”

“We are working in a more efficient way, but that does put an awful lot of pressure on all of us, both members and officers in the organisation, to deliver.

“The independent panel looked at that and they made their recommendation and I think it’s only right for the good running of the council in the future that we take that recommendation, because they thought what they put forward four years ago was wrong.

She added: “If you compare the leader, for example, in Wiltshire – with nearly half a million people and a budget of nearly a billion – to Bath & North East Somerset with a leader that gets more than that with about a third of the number of people, you can understand why, when they compared, they said they got it wrong.

“They wanted to make it right, not for me, but for the people who come after me.”

During the summer, the council ran a voluntary redundancy programme in which 252 front-line staff decided to leave the organisation.

Seven of the Council's 18 associate directors took voluntary redundancy, while the remaining associate directors saw their wages rise on average by 7.5 per cent.

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1:03pm Wed 11 Dec 13

the optimist says...

I didn't expect anything better from her or her party?

The independent panel that got it wrong in 2009 was made up by a majority of members from which political party? Not hard to guess?

just remember what she did at the next election.

In the mean time the petition can be found at

http://you.38degrees
.org.uk/petitions/re
signation-of-leader-
and-cabinet-of-wilts
hire-council
I didn't expect anything better from her or her party? The independent panel that got it wrong in 2009 was made up by a majority of members from which political party? Not hard to guess? just remember what she did at the next election. In the mean time the petition can be found at http://you.38degrees .org.uk/petitions/re signation-of-leader- and-cabinet-of-wilts hire-council the optimist

2:54pm Wed 11 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

Jane Scott's comment about the Independent Panel " they wanted to make it right, not for me, but for the people who come after me" is absolutely attrocious .
Ms Scott and others voted for her and their own pay rise/s and as far as can be logically understood, that has nought to do with whoever "may come after her/them"..
What Ms Scott needs to do is to make it right, right now for the Residents of Wiltshire who have been deprived of Services because of her decisions to spend and waste Government Funding given to Wiltshire on non essential "fripperies".
Her Interview with BBC Wiltshire saw her wittering on, yet again, about wanting to ensure the protection of provision of Health & Social Services Care.
Ms Scott has to well pull her socks up after Wilts Social Services were found guilty by an Independent Ombudsman of failure to provide adequate social services to one Family who it is assumed are still owed Compensation by Wiltshire Council.

It is truly hoped that this Family were paid the Compensation that they are entitled to from Wilts Council before Ms Scott and Co get their pay rise back pay..
Ms Scott's other comments above are unbelievable considering the Allowance/s she gets paid are just that and are an Allowance and NOT a Wage.....
Depriving the People of vital Services to fund Political obsession has to stop.
Ms Scott once said: "the buck stops with me" and that just about sums up in one sentence exactly how Wiltshire Council has been run and.. for far too long.
The Residents of Wiltshire no longer want Ms Scott to "get back on the horse" she has well and truly fallen off of.
Retire gracefully please Ms Scott and..before you do, decline your back pay as a gesture that you did not vote for your pay rise just for the money ?
If you feel that you are not getting the pay dosh you think you deserve, go and find another job.
Wiltshire Council is NOT your "business empire", never was and never should be allowed to be run as your own little project.
Try to respect your front line Staff and realise that, getting rid of them in order to fund your Corporate and Executive Salaries and Allowances is not the Public Service that you chose to be Nominated and were subsequently Elected to from the ballot box ?

I would urge everyone who cares about our County to sign the "38 degrees" Petition.

It is the County and it's People that should matter and not the Conservative Party.
Jane Scott's comment about the Independent Panel " they wanted to make it right, not for me, but for the people who come after me" is absolutely attrocious . Ms Scott and others voted for her and their own pay rise/s and as far as can be logically understood, that has nought to do with whoever "may come after her/them".. What Ms Scott needs to do is to make it right, right now for the Residents of Wiltshire who have been deprived of Services because of her decisions to spend and waste Government Funding given to Wiltshire on non essential "fripperies". Her Interview with BBC Wiltshire saw her wittering on, yet again, about wanting to ensure the protection of provision of Health & Social Services Care. Ms Scott has to well pull her socks up after Wilts Social Services were found guilty by an Independent Ombudsman of failure to provide adequate social services to one Family who it is assumed are still owed Compensation by Wiltshire Council. It is truly hoped that this Family were paid the Compensation that they are entitled to from Wilts Council before Ms Scott and Co get their pay rise back pay.. Ms Scott's other comments above are unbelievable considering the Allowance/s she gets paid are just that and are an Allowance and NOT a Wage..... Depriving the People of vital Services to fund Political obsession has to stop. Ms Scott once said: "the buck stops with me" and that just about sums up in one sentence exactly how Wiltshire Council has been run and.. for far too long. The Residents of Wiltshire no longer want Ms Scott to "get back on the horse" she has well and truly fallen off of. Retire gracefully please Ms Scott and..before you do, decline your back pay as a gesture that you did not vote for your pay rise just for the money ? If you feel that you are not getting the pay dosh you think you deserve, go and find another job. Wiltshire Council is NOT your "business empire", never was and never should be allowed to be run as your own little project. Try to respect your front line Staff and realise that, getting rid of them in order to fund your Corporate and Executive Salaries and Allowances is not the Public Service that you chose to be Nominated and were subsequently Elected to from the ballot box ? I would urge everyone who cares about our County to sign the "38 degrees" Petition. It is the County and it's People that should matter and not the Conservative Party. brasstacks

3:11pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Nickthegreek says...

By voting for, & accepting the increase in allowances you are by default saying your allowances have been understated by x% for the last four years but you've been 'doing the work anyway'. Now you've got your personal increase of 36% Jane, does that mean you'll work 36% harder, 36% longer or is it a case of "That's what I'm/we're due because an independent panel says so & we're going to take it."
Hard to justify a 36% increase when your fellow conservative, who just happens to be the PM, is trying to turn down an 11% increase in Parliament due to public opinion. Just because it's a recommendation does not mean you have to take it.
By voting for, & accepting the increase in allowances you are by default saying your allowances have been understated by x% for the last four years but you've been 'doing the work anyway'. Now you've got your personal increase of 36% Jane, does that mean you'll work 36% harder, 36% longer or is it a case of "That's what I'm/we're due because an independent panel says so & we're going to take it." Hard to justify a 36% increase when your fellow conservative, who just happens to be the PM, is trying to turn down an 11% increase in Parliament due to public opinion. Just because it's a recommendation does not mean you have to take it. Nickthegreek

3:39pm Wed 11 Dec 13

New 2 Trow says...

There is a lot of emphasis on this being the result of recommendations from an independent panel but the only views the panel sought were of present members and a handful of high ranking officers, members then voted on these recommendations. I do not think this properly shows a democratic process behind increasing their allowances.

Jayne Scott claims the rises are inline with responsibilities but the additional responsibilities came as a result of action she took in getting rid of the Chief executive.
There is a lot of emphasis on this being the result of recommendations from an independent panel but the only views the panel sought were of present members and a handful of high ranking officers, members then voted on these recommendations. I do not think this properly shows a democratic process behind increasing their allowances. Jayne Scott claims the rises are inline with responsibilities but the additional responsibilities came as a result of action she took in getting rid of the Chief executive. New 2 Trow

3:55pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Paul Tucker says...

As the rise is not for her, perhaps you could ask her to which charity she will be donating the surplus.
As the rise is not for her, perhaps you could ask her to which charity she will be donating the surplus. Paul Tucker

4:09pm Wed 11 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

If Ms Scott is as good at doing her Job as she seems to want us to believe, surely she would have ensured yonks ago that ALL Wilts Council Staff & Councillors were being paid the right Pay/Allowances ?
For all the Staff that have been virtually BULLIED into Redundancy and all the Staff who are hanging on to jobs by threads, be assured that the People of Wiltshire do sympathise ..

If Ms Scott 'leads by example" then she should ONLY accept a Pay Rise at the same % as other Staff.

The Petition on "38 Degrees" is exactly "what it says on the petition tin" and gives both residents and Staff the Democratic Right and Voice to ask for changes long overdue.

If Ms Scott and her Democratic Services Officers TOLD the Independent Panel what they had to find in their Investigation/Report then there is NO such thing as an Independent Decision to Award the pay rise they dished out.

I wonder if the Independent Panel are Conservatives ?..whoops....probabl
y not allowed to query that one !!..

Perhaps Ms Scott should take time in her hectic Job to look at Article 14 of the European Convention/Court of Human Rights ?

Is it Discrimination against the minority Party Councillors of Wiltshire if Ms Scott deliberately "makes up the rules" 'cause she knows her Conservative Crew will get the majority vote ?

Either way, it will be interesting to see if Mr Cameron accepts whatever "his" Independent Pay Rise Panel come forth with and...should Dave decide not to accept his Pay Rise, perhaps Ms Scott could follow her Leader and give back hers ?

Allowing Ms Scott to be "head honcho" of the Wilts Council involvement with the NHS Clinical Commissioning Group is a recipe giving her more Funding that almost certainly will NOT find it's way into the Services that Mr Cameron has "decision delegated" to local Councils....

There is surely absolutely nothing to stop Town and Parish Councillors from challenging anything that her Cabinet proposes and...with enough Signatures, a Referendum HAS to be looked at by County Hall ?

The People are speaking out on the 38 degrees Petition both Residents and Staff alike and if you lived in B.A.N.E.S or were under Somerset Council, it is understood that they do not require anything like the amount of signatures on a Petition that Ms Scott and Co "demand" !!

Lets try to put the "wonderful" back in Wiltshire and get rid of the "wood"?
If Ms Scott is as good at doing her Job as she seems to want us to believe, surely she would have ensured yonks ago that ALL Wilts Council Staff & Councillors were being paid the right Pay/Allowances ? For all the Staff that have been virtually BULLIED into Redundancy and all the Staff who are hanging on to jobs by threads, be assured that the People of Wiltshire do sympathise .. If Ms Scott 'leads by example" then she should ONLY accept a Pay Rise at the same % as other Staff. The Petition on "38 Degrees" is exactly "what it says on the petition tin" and gives both residents and Staff the Democratic Right and Voice to ask for changes long overdue. If Ms Scott and her Democratic Services Officers TOLD the Independent Panel what they had to find in their Investigation/Report then there is NO such thing as an Independent Decision to Award the pay rise they dished out. I wonder if the Independent Panel are Conservatives ?..whoops....probabl y not allowed to query that one !!.. Perhaps Ms Scott should take time in her hectic Job to look at Article 14 of the European Convention/Court of Human Rights ? Is it Discrimination against the minority Party Councillors of Wiltshire if Ms Scott deliberately "makes up the rules" 'cause she knows her Conservative Crew will get the majority vote ? Either way, it will be interesting to see if Mr Cameron accepts whatever "his" Independent Pay Rise Panel come forth with and...should Dave decide not to accept his Pay Rise, perhaps Ms Scott could follow her Leader and give back hers ? Allowing Ms Scott to be "head honcho" of the Wilts Council involvement with the NHS Clinical Commissioning Group is a recipe giving her more Funding that almost certainly will NOT find it's way into the Services that Mr Cameron has "decision delegated" to local Councils.... There is surely absolutely nothing to stop Town and Parish Councillors from challenging anything that her Cabinet proposes and...with enough Signatures, a Referendum HAS to be looked at by County Hall ? The People are speaking out on the 38 degrees Petition both Residents and Staff alike and if you lived in B.A.N.E.S or were under Somerset Council, it is understood that they do not require anything like the amount of signatures on a Petition that Ms Scott and Co "demand" !! Lets try to put the "wonderful" back in Wiltshire and get rid of the "wood"? brasstacks

4:10pm Wed 11 Dec 13

brandx says...

So finally her public relation advisors - her spin doctors - have said that she had better say something otherwise people would doubt that she exists - even though she gets the money.

The crucial point is that her timing on taking the massive increase is absolutely wrong - surely her spin doctors should have told her that. Ordinary people out there are increasingly hard pressed, with no pay increases or in many cases no job. This on top of hikes in all manner of bills. Then we have Christmas which may well push many into debt. But not for Jane and her magic circle. A massive - up to 38% - increase. What a nice Christmas Box. I guess greed blinds them to the plight of others. How can we ever trust them again?

Please encourage people to support Paul Gaunt's petition and get ready to march on County Hall.
So finally her public relation advisors - her spin doctors - have said that she had better say something otherwise people would doubt that she exists - even though she gets the money. The crucial point is that her timing on taking the massive increase is absolutely wrong - surely her spin doctors should have told her that. Ordinary people out there are increasingly hard pressed, with no pay increases or in many cases no job. This on top of hikes in all manner of bills. Then we have Christmas which may well push many into debt. But not for Jane and her magic circle. A massive - up to 38% - increase. What a nice Christmas Box. I guess greed blinds them to the plight of others. How can we ever trust them again? Please encourage people to support Paul Gaunt's petition and get ready to march on County Hall. brandx

4:16pm Wed 11 Dec 13

AnotherSmithy says...

Hear hear to those points made above.
Jane Scott also said, and I quote "We are working in a more efficient way, but that does put an awful lot of pressure on all of us, both members and officers in the organisation, to deliver."
Having finally acknowledged the work that Wiltshire Council officers do, does this mean that she will ensure that they will now also be treated fairly, and see their 1% pay rise taken up to a level more in keeping with the "pressures" they now face? I sincerely doubt it!
Jane Scott appears to have placed herself on a very high pedestal - she'd better take care because falling off it is going to hurt!
Hear hear to those points made above. Jane Scott also said, and I quote "We are working in a more efficient way, but that does put an awful lot of pressure on all of us, both members and officers in the organisation, to deliver." Having finally acknowledged the work that Wiltshire Council officers do, does this mean that she will ensure that they will now also be treated fairly, and see their 1% pay rise taken up to a level more in keeping with the "pressures" they now face? I sincerely doubt it! Jane Scott appears to have placed herself on a very high pedestal - she'd better take care because falling off it is going to hurt! AnotherSmithy

4:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

"Honesty is not the absence of conflict...merely the ABILITY to cope with it"

If Ms Scott IS honest and has the 'ability" she perceives, she should be able to sit herself down, without the "spin doctors' that are costing our County our vital Services ??

Make the Corporate Director Redundant Jane and that would save us all around £134,000a year plus what is seemingly spent on a Corporate Credit Card for "meals out" etc ?

Wiltshire does NOT need "lifestyle business advisors".

It NEEDS the Services that Taxes pay for and have a Right of Entitlement to..

Should Ms Scott decide to retire and find herself Vulnerable and/or Sick and Disabled and in need of Adult Social Services help, then she is in for a huge shock and...a long wait for an Assessment..

Should she have to go into a Residential Care Home, she can say goodbye to all her personal Assets because her "beloved" Government will take out a Charge on the lot..

Should she loose her Home because she has "lost her job" and cannot pay her Mortgage, she will find waiting for a home on the Housing Register a sad and nearly impossible journey ..being Homeless and in a either a B & B or temporary accommodation is nothing like a holiday...

I Pray that the Wilts Council Published Redacted December 2013 "spendings over £250" will not show loads of payments to Argos..

Just what does Wilts Council buy at Argos on a regular monthly basis ??

Please Support Paul Gaunt's Petition........we want to and have a Right to know why and what Jane Scott and her Political Crew have been spending and wasting the People of Wiltshires money on..

Ms Scott, "saving Wilts Council Funding for a future rainy day" does NOT provide the Services we have a Right to now...
"Honesty is not the absence of conflict...merely the ABILITY to cope with it" If Ms Scott IS honest and has the 'ability" she perceives, she should be able to sit herself down, without the "spin doctors' that are costing our County our vital Services ?? Make the Corporate Director Redundant Jane and that would save us all around £134,000a year plus what is seemingly spent on a Corporate Credit Card for "meals out" etc ? Wiltshire does NOT need "lifestyle business advisors". It NEEDS the Services that Taxes pay for and have a Right of Entitlement to.. Should Ms Scott decide to retire and find herself Vulnerable and/or Sick and Disabled and in need of Adult Social Services help, then she is in for a huge shock and...a long wait for an Assessment.. Should she have to go into a Residential Care Home, she can say goodbye to all her personal Assets because her "beloved" Government will take out a Charge on the lot.. Should she loose her Home because she has "lost her job" and cannot pay her Mortgage, she will find waiting for a home on the Housing Register a sad and nearly impossible journey ..being Homeless and in a either a B & B or temporary accommodation is nothing like a holiday... I Pray that the Wilts Council Published Redacted December 2013 "spendings over £250" will not show loads of payments to Argos.. Just what does Wilts Council buy at Argos on a regular monthly basis ?? Please Support Paul Gaunt's Petition........we want to and have a Right to know why and what Jane Scott and her Political Crew have been spending and wasting the People of Wiltshires money on.. Ms Scott, "saving Wilts Council Funding for a future rainy day" does NOT provide the Services we have a Right to now... brasstacks

5:52pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

If this Independent Panel has five minutes could they have a look at nurse's wages. They have an awful lot of pressure on them too.
If this Independent Panel has five minutes could they have a look at nurse's wages. They have an awful lot of pressure on them too. Mrs Donnyfly

6:33pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Room101 says...

I think i will reduce my coucil tax next year to compensate my none payrise i did not have for the 5yr running.
I think i will reduce my coucil tax next year to compensate my none payrise i did not have for the 5yr running. Room101

7:01pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Fluffy peppa says...

Making people redundant, causing stress in return......meanwhil
e life at the top is one big party and laughing at the workers & tax payers.

Get rid of the greedy and have workers that graft.

Thinking about what the council has improved upon in recent years that would benefit me I just can't see any facilities or improvements.

Marlborough leisure centre loo facilities need updating more than giving allowances rise.
Making people redundant, causing stress in return......meanwhil e life at the top is one big party and laughing at the workers & tax payers. Get rid of the greedy and have workers that graft. Thinking about what the council has improved upon in recent years that would benefit me I just can't see any facilities or improvements. Marlborough leisure centre loo facilities need updating more than giving allowances rise. Fluffy peppa

7:31pm Wed 11 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

See:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/u
k-england-wiltshire-
25330419
(4 hours ago...)

Ms Scott says:

"The important thing for me is not me.Its the post"

I am at tad confused about that one as it is her who holds the post for which she receives an Allowance and now a rise that she voted for to give herself a massive rise ??

IMs Scott has told the Press that the pay rise is "not for me but the people who come after me" so......could she please put the back dated rise she has awarded herself into a Trust Account for "the people who come after her" ??

As long as we all know WHERE she might put the dosh for "the people who come after her", I am sure it will incur interest much like the interest that has accrued on all the Government Funding that has been "invested" by her and her financial advisors instead of being spent on the Services that it was given to Wiltshire Council for.

If Ms Scott genuinely feels the important thing for her is "not her", then why the hec' did she vote for and accept HER pay rise ?

Ambiguous and.. awful for all the Staff who have had to fight for meagre pay rises and especially worse for those who have been "let go"..

Let go of the ALL the Senior Executives, I say, and lets get back the Staff who have kept the front line going only to see Ms Scott run out of dosh for the vital services they have tried to help us all get..
See: www.bbc.co.uk/news/u k-england-wiltshire- 25330419 (4 hours ago...) Ms Scott says: "The important thing for me is not me.Its the post" I am at tad confused about that one as it is her who holds the post for which she receives an Allowance and now a rise that she voted for to give herself a massive rise ?? IMs Scott has told the Press that the pay rise is "not for me but the people who come after me" so......could she please put the back dated rise she has awarded herself into a Trust Account for "the people who come after her" ?? As long as we all know WHERE she might put the dosh for "the people who come after her", I am sure it will incur interest much like the interest that has accrued on all the Government Funding that has been "invested" by her and her financial advisors instead of being spent on the Services that it was given to Wiltshire Council for. If Ms Scott genuinely feels the important thing for her is "not her", then why the hec' did she vote for and accept HER pay rise ? Ambiguous and.. awful for all the Staff who have had to fight for meagre pay rises and especially worse for those who have been "let go".. Let go of the ALL the Senior Executives, I say, and lets get back the Staff who have kept the front line going only to see Ms Scott run out of dosh for the vital services they have tried to help us all get.. brasstacks

7:58pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Atthefootofthestairs says...

It was very telling in this mornings interview on BBC Radio Wiltshire that many more staff applied for voluntary redundancy than were accepted. That does not sound like a happy organisation to work for at all. Staff morale is low.
It was very telling in this mornings interview on BBC Radio Wiltshire that many more staff applied for voluntary redundancy than were accepted. That does not sound like a happy organisation to work for at all. Staff morale is low. Atthefootofthestairs

9:18pm Wed 11 Dec 13

shed says...

good to see folk are still angry at this woman and her cabal.

keep it live and to the forefront of wiltshire affairs

keep signing please.

http://you.38degrees

.org.uk/petitions/re

signation-of-leader-

and-cabinet-of-wilts

hire-council
good to see folk are still angry at this woman and her cabal. keep it live and to the forefront of wiltshire affairs keep signing please. http://you.38degrees .org.uk/petitions/re signation-of-leader- and-cabinet-of-wilts hire-council shed

1:57am Thu 12 Dec 13

beetawix says...

has the pressure gone now?
has the pressure gone now? beetawix

7:00am Thu 12 Dec 13

Pirate11 says...

I am a Conservative Councillor and I voted against the increases. I have also given my 1% increase (the basic allowance only went up by 1% which affects the majority of Councillors) to charity. Cllr Mark Connolly
I am a Conservative Councillor and I voted against the increases. I have also given my 1% increase (the basic allowance only went up by 1% which affects the majority of Councillors) to charity. Cllr Mark Connolly Pirate11

9:49am Thu 12 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

Thank you Councillor Connolly for proving that you care and have principles above and beyond your chosen Party !!...

It is truly a shame that the help that local Councillors try to give their "patch" is overshadowed by the single minded and selfish attitudes floating around County Hall....

The Petition is growing but needs as many signatures as possible so please sign soon everyone ?

Please everyone, Contact your Local Town or Parish Councillors ASAP and ask them to formally take your views to their next County Hall Meeting !!

"Everybody DOES matter" and...it we all mattered, by now, Ms Scott should and would have earned some of the money that we pay her instead of us NOW paying her more because she perceives that she's "worth it" ..

I wish we could ask Sir Alan Sugar to come and take a look at Ms Scott's method of making Residents go without so that there is more for her..

Ms Scott, it is the Residents of Wiltshire that deserve more and....sooner rather than later please ??
Thank you Councillor Connolly for proving that you care and have principles above and beyond your chosen Party !!... It is truly a shame that the help that local Councillors try to give their "patch" is overshadowed by the single minded and selfish attitudes floating around County Hall.... The Petition is growing but needs as many signatures as possible so please sign soon everyone ? Please everyone, Contact your Local Town or Parish Councillors ASAP and ask them to formally take your views to their next County Hall Meeting !! "Everybody DOES matter" and...it we all mattered, by now, Ms Scott should and would have earned some of the money that we pay her instead of us NOW paying her more because she perceives that she's "worth it" .. I wish we could ask Sir Alan Sugar to come and take a look at Ms Scott's method of making Residents go without so that there is more for her.. Ms Scott, it is the Residents of Wiltshire that deserve more and....sooner rather than later please ?? brasstacks

10:23am Thu 12 Dec 13

sir roy.orbit of chippenham says...

Room101 wrote:
I think i will reduce my coucil tax next year to compensate my none payrise i did not have for the 5yr running.
If everyone on the petition witheld 10% of their council tax bill as a protest then notice may get taken.
[quote][p][bold]Room101[/bold] wrote: I think i will reduce my coucil tax next year to compensate my none payrise i did not have for the 5yr running.[/p][/quote]If everyone on the petition witheld 10% of their council tax bill as a protest then notice may get taken. sir roy.orbit of chippenham

10:41am Thu 12 Dec 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Snouts in the trough again. It's nice to see that naked greed is still alive and well. I wonder how many meals on wheels will have to be cancelled to pay for these increases? She must drink a hell of a lot of Ovaltine to get to sleep at night.
Snouts in the trough again. It's nice to see that naked greed is still alive and well. I wonder how many meals on wheels will have to be cancelled to pay for these increases? She must drink a hell of a lot of Ovaltine to get to sleep at night. Grumpyoldgit99

11:18am Thu 12 Dec 13

The.Central.Scrutinizer says...

This grab has been taken , according to the boss, due to "an awful lot of pressure" and to make it right for those people who come after her.
Will the pressure continue for ever?

pressure is due to her own policies and is present across the whole council workforce not just for members.
how is it ok to use future leaders' comfort as justification for a pay rise while totally ignoring the council work force in the present.
If members want more cash they should clear off and get normal job (not council)
This grab has been taken , according to the boss, due to "an awful lot of pressure" and to make it right for those people who come after her. Will the pressure continue for ever? pressure is due to her own policies and is present across the whole council workforce not just for members. how is it ok to use future leaders' comfort as justification for a pay rise while totally ignoring the council work force in the present. If members want more cash they should clear off and get normal job (not council) The.Central.Scrutinizer

5:05pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Owlman North says...

I get the feeling that I and the residents of Cepen Park North are paying for this outrage with the atrocious 17% rise we had in our council tax a couple of years ago. Now that there is surplus of chiefs and a lack of indians to do the work the 'service' that the council is supposed to provide is probably not going to exist.
I know where my vote is going on the next election.
I get the feeling that I and the residents of Cepen Park North are paying for this outrage with the atrocious 17% rise we had in our council tax a couple of years ago. Now that there is surplus of chiefs and a lack of indians to do the work the 'service' that the council is supposed to provide is probably not going to exist. I know where my vote is going on the next election. Owlman North

8:13pm Thu 12 Dec 13

€d says...

Jane Scott has had a 36.5 % pay rise. Just rejoice at that news
Jane Scott has had a 36.5 % pay rise. Just rejoice at that news €d

8:14pm Thu 12 Dec 13

€d says...

Councillors vote themselves an inflation busting rise. Just rejoice at that news
Councillors vote themselves an inflation busting rise. Just rejoice at that news €d

8:14pm Thu 12 Dec 13

€d says...

Everyone else has had a pay freeze and seen their standard of living reduced. Just rejoice at that news
Everyone else has had a pay freeze and seen their standard of living reduced. Just rejoice at that news €d

8:26pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Gladrags says...

Don't mind having only a 1% rise after 3 + years of no increases, know people are worse off elsewhere. Don't mind trying to do more work and try and make wiltshire money go as far as possible as i know budgets are finite. Do mind that skilled knowledgable workers were given redundancy leaving us with less knowledge of complex situations - social care is a minefield legally. Oh and by the way youth services didn't even get their 1%. But Our Beloved Leader is OK so time to rejoice Huh?
Don't mind having only a 1% rise after 3 + years of no increases, know people are worse off elsewhere. Don't mind trying to do more work and try and make wiltshire money go as far as possible as i know budgets are finite. Do mind that skilled knowledgable workers were given redundancy leaving us with less knowledge of complex situations - social care is a minefield legally. Oh and by the way youth services didn't even get their 1%. But Our Beloved Leader is OK so time to rejoice Huh? Gladrags

9:29pm Thu 12 Dec 13

shed says...

answer is in your hands, who do you know who has not signed?

The strength of feeling has obviously shaken Jane Scott, and she's on the back foot; she cannot even think of a glib remark to get out of it.

The woman is a liability to the Tories now, keep signing and she'll be got rid of by the hierarchy.

2400 sigs on it today lets make it 3000 by this time next week


http://you.38degrees

.org.uk/petitions/re

signation-of-leader-

and-cabinet-of-wilts

hire-council
answer is in your hands, who do you know who has not signed? The strength of feeling has obviously shaken Jane Scott, and she's on the back foot; she cannot even think of a glib remark to get out of it. The woman is a liability to the Tories now, keep signing and she'll be got rid of by the hierarchy. 2400 sigs on it today lets make it 3000 by this time next week http://you.38degrees .org.uk/petitions/re signation-of-leader- and-cabinet-of-wilts hire-council shed

9:32pm Thu 12 Dec 13

shed says...

and notice,...... 27 comments on this story yet it does not appear in the most commented list, where a peeing Jack Russell is deemed more newsworthy at 18 comments.

Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder?
and notice,...... 27 comments on this story yet it does not appear in the most commented list, where a peeing Jack Russell is deemed more newsworthy at 18 comments. Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder? shed

10:08pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

Owlman North wrote:
I get the feeling that I and the residents of Cepen Park North are paying for this outrage with the atrocious 17% rise we had in our council tax a couple of years ago. Now that there is surplus of chiefs and a lack of indians to do the work the 'service' that the council is supposed to provide is probably not going to exist.
I know where my vote is going on the next election.
UKIP I hope
[quote][p][bold]Owlman North[/bold] wrote: I get the feeling that I and the residents of Cepen Park North are paying for this outrage with the atrocious 17% rise we had in our council tax a couple of years ago. Now that there is surplus of chiefs and a lack of indians to do the work the 'service' that the council is supposed to provide is probably not going to exist. I know where my vote is going on the next election.[/p][/quote]UKIP I hope Mrs Donnyfly

10:46pm Thu 12 Dec 13

helliker says...

Much as I sympathise with talk of withholding council tax in protest at the untimely and unjustified increases the top echelons of Wiltshire Council are intent on snaffling up, I'm afraid the only outcome will either be a visit from the bailiffs or a further cut in services, which the disabled and those in poverty caused by those with the power. It is exceptionally difficult to create a conscience in power-crazed greedy bullies such as we have in control of our council.
Much as I sympathise with talk of withholding council tax in protest at the untimely and unjustified increases the top echelons of Wiltshire Council are intent on snaffling up, I'm afraid the only outcome will either be a visit from the bailiffs or a further cut in services, which the disabled and those in poverty caused by those with the power. It is exceptionally difficult to create a conscience in power-crazed greedy bullies such as we have in control of our council. helliker

11:56pm Thu 12 Dec 13

beetawix says...

shed wrote:
and notice,...... 27 comments on this story yet it does not appear in the most commented list, where a peeing Jack Russell is deemed more newsworthy at 18 comments.

Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder?
not true at wiltshire times .. top of most commented list all day
perhaps gazette supports loony leader and removed it from list

i agree it is obviously a crap made up statistic
[quote][p][bold]shed[/bold] wrote: and notice,...... 27 comments on this story yet it does not appear in the most commented list, where a peeing Jack Russell is deemed more newsworthy at 18 comments. Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder?[/p][/quote]not true at wiltshire times .. top of most commented list all day perhaps gazette supports loony leader and removed it from list i agree it is obviously a crap made up statistic beetawix

8:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

Highways68 says...

How about ploughing a bit of this great swill of surplus cash the Council must have i to sorting out the fragile IT systems?? 100's if not 1000's of working hours lost every month due to basic IT issues. 1000's more people to move into County Hall, so even more encouragement from "above" for "agile working" (the latest corporate phrase) and to work from home using our own electricity and heating with a completely ineffective IT system. Each upgrade the ponytailed IT gang perform makes the job even harder to carry out with yet more hours lost.

Keep up the good work Jane you deserve all you get, the view from the ivory tower must be amazing, the trouble is you are looking through rose tinted beer goggles, sorry champagne goggles!!
How about ploughing a bit of this great swill of surplus cash the Council must have i to sorting out the fragile IT systems?? 100's if not 1000's of working hours lost every month due to basic IT issues. 1000's more people to move into County Hall, so even more encouragement from "above" for "agile working" (the latest corporate phrase) and to work from home using our own electricity and heating with a completely ineffective IT system. Each upgrade the ponytailed IT gang perform makes the job even harder to carry out with yet more hours lost. Keep up the good work Jane you deserve all you get, the view from the ivory tower must be amazing, the trouble is you are looking through rose tinted beer goggles, sorry champagne goggles!! Highways68

8:09am Fri 13 Dec 13

€d says...

More than half of people living in poverty have a job, but local and national government vote themselves huge pay rises. Just rejoice at that news.
More than half of people living in poverty have a job, but local and national government vote themselves huge pay rises. Just rejoice at that news. €d

9:20am Fri 13 Dec 13

the optimist says...

€d wrote:
More than half of people living in poverty have a job, but local and national government vote themselves huge pay rises. Just rejoice at that news.
A couple of comments from other press -

"She said she had “a moral duty” to accept the increase, to not put pressure on whoever succeeded her to have to decide whether they should or not".


Council leader Jane Scott will also now be paid for her role as the chair of a new health panel, which links local authorities with the NHS. That meant her allowances rose in total by 36.5 per cent, from £37,335 to £52,227.

That's an increase of £14,892

Even our MP's are only being recommended £7,600 more!!

Bad women?
[quote][p][bold]€d[/bold] wrote: More than half of people living in poverty have a job, but local and national government vote themselves huge pay rises. Just rejoice at that news.[/p][/quote]A couple of comments from other press - "She said she had “a moral duty” to accept the increase, to not put pressure on whoever succeeded her to have to decide whether they should or not". Council leader Jane Scott will also now be paid for her role as the chair of a new health panel, which links local authorities with the NHS. That meant her allowances rose in total by 36.5 per cent, from £37,335 to £52,227. That's an increase of £14,892 Even our MP's are only being recommended £7,600 more!! Bad women? the optimist

9:27am Fri 13 Dec 13

€d says...

Is there a list of which councillors voted in favour of the inflation busting rise?
Is there a list of which councillors voted in favour of the inflation busting rise? €d

9:54am Fri 13 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

YES...there is a List of which Councillors voted for, against or abstained..

Cllr Terry Chivers will send you a Copy if you E Mail him !!..
YES...there is a List of which Councillors voted for, against or abstained.. Cllr Terry Chivers will send you a Copy if you E Mail him !!.. brasstacks

10:19am Fri 13 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

Jane Scott's ONLY "moral duty" is to the Tax Payers and Residents of our County..

I would respectfully suggest she sits down and reads all through the Councillor and Officers of Councils Rules Regs and Guidelines ?

The Local Government Association has bit about this type of thing on it too and...I still cannot get to the bottom of why Ms Scott has a "c/o address" for herself as County Hall ?

If you go to her "By the Brook" Web Site and scroll down to the bottom, you will see that she is Promoting herself Political via County Hall's address..

The Electoral Commission have confirmed that this is NOT allowed..

In the past, a similar Political Lady to Ms Scott "made up the Rules" and this Country and our County are STILL paying the price..

You can see a Published List of all the MP's in Westminster who have "voted" about their pay increase..I think you can find it off of the BBC main Articles this week ??..

Andrew Murrison MP has "not responded" but it can only be assumed that he might be a tad busy playing "war games" in a Parliamentary Role that see's him out of our County more than he is in it...

Are the Conservatives infact pushing the State Retirement Age up and up just to get more Pay and Allowances and 2nd Homes ??..

oh yes and...to try to claw back all the Tax Payers money that they have mis spent and wasted along the way !!..

If I could find an NHS Dentist, it might help me with all the "bricks I have spat" lately !!??...
Jane Scott's ONLY "moral duty" is to the Tax Payers and Residents of our County.. I would respectfully suggest she sits down and reads all through the Councillor and Officers of Councils Rules Regs and Guidelines ? The Local Government Association has bit about this type of thing on it too and...I still cannot get to the bottom of why Ms Scott has a "c/o address" for herself as County Hall ? If you go to her "By the Brook" Web Site and scroll down to the bottom, you will see that she is Promoting herself Political via County Hall's address.. The Electoral Commission have confirmed that this is NOT allowed.. In the past, a similar Political Lady to Ms Scott "made up the Rules" and this Country and our County are STILL paying the price.. You can see a Published List of all the MP's in Westminster who have "voted" about their pay increase..I think you can find it off of the BBC main Articles this week ??.. Andrew Murrison MP has "not responded" but it can only be assumed that he might be a tad busy playing "war games" in a Parliamentary Role that see's him out of our County more than he is in it... Are the Conservatives infact pushing the State Retirement Age up and up just to get more Pay and Allowances and 2nd Homes ??.. oh yes and...to try to claw back all the Tax Payers money that they have mis spent and wasted along the way !!.. If I could find an NHS Dentist, it might help me with all the "bricks I have spat" lately !!??... brasstacks

11:15am Fri 13 Dec 13

MDP says...

"Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder?"

We need an answer to this question. A small article at bottom of page 7 in Dec 5th edition (have not yet seen yesterday's edition) is not good enough. "Assize Courts deteriorating", which was the headline, is not exactly earth-shattering, that could have been the main story at any time over the last 30 odd years. This is now a burning topic, with added momentum from the public reaction to MP's pay rise.

I imagine David Cameron will want to distance himself from Mrs Scott. Her 'should-be' friends at the influential and much-read website, Conservative Home, have criticised her:
http://www.conservat
ivehome.com/localgov
ernment/2013/11/wilt
shire-council-increa
ses-councillor-allow
ances.html

So, come on G and H, you are failing in your duty. This MUST be the first story next week. Either that, or tell us what scares you. Is the Council a shareholder or something?
"Does the Gazette have a backbone I wonder?" We need an answer to this question. A small article at bottom of page 7 in Dec 5th edition (have not yet seen yesterday's edition) is not good enough. "Assize Courts deteriorating", which was the headline, is not exactly earth-shattering, that could have been the main story at any time over the last 30 odd years. This is now a burning topic, with added momentum from the public reaction to MP's pay rise. I imagine David Cameron will want to distance himself from Mrs Scott. Her 'should-be' friends at the influential and much-read website, Conservative Home, have criticised her: http://www.conservat ivehome.com/localgov ernment/2013/11/wilt shire-council-increa ses-councillor-allow ances.html So, come on G and H, you are failing in your duty. This MUST be the first story next week. Either that, or tell us what scares you. Is the Council a shareholder or something? MDP

11:20am Fri 13 Dec 13

MDP says...

PS Also, just think how many extra copies you would sell if the billboard's around the town shouted about public anger at Wilts Councillor's massive pay increase.
PS Also, just think how many extra copies you would sell if the billboard's around the town shouted about public anger at Wilts Councillor's massive pay increase. MDP

3:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

€d says...

92.45% of Cons voted for the rise

25% Lab councillors voted for rise

No Lib Dems voted for rise

33% Ind voted for rise
92.45% of Cons voted for the rise 25% Lab councillors voted for rise No Lib Dems voted for rise 33% Ind voted for rise €d

4:07pm Fri 13 Dec 13

brandx says...

I have just heard that the Conservative Local Government minister, Brandon Lewis, has publicly condemned Jane Scott and her magic circle for being so greedy and pushing through their massive increases. He said that such action was totally unjustified when many in the public sector have had their pay frozen for years.

So now we have a Conservative minister attacking a Conservative controlloed Wiltshire Council. As John Craig, the well respected ex Wiltshire Fire Chief said Jane Scott has no notion of leadership and is just feathering her and her friends nests.

Meanwhile Paul Gaunt's non party political petition is collecting signatures daily. What will be the eventual outcome? A vote of no cionfidence in the Wiltshire Council leasdership? If more Conservatives had some courage and thought about the public, this could happen..

In the meantime get more and more ordinary people to sign the petition.
I have just heard that the Conservative Local Government minister, Brandon Lewis, has publicly condemned Jane Scott and her magic circle for being so greedy and pushing through their massive increases. He said that such action was totally unjustified when many in the public sector have had their pay frozen for years. So now we have a Conservative minister attacking a Conservative controlloed Wiltshire Council. As John Craig, the well respected ex Wiltshire Fire Chief said Jane Scott has no notion of leadership and is just feathering her and her friends nests. Meanwhile Paul Gaunt's non party political petition is collecting signatures daily. What will be the eventual outcome? A vote of no cionfidence in the Wiltshire Council leasdership? If more Conservatives had some courage and thought about the public, this could happen.. In the meantime get more and more ordinary people to sign the petition. brandx

4:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

MDP says...

Ref my earlier post, a pedant writes:

" if the billboard's around the town"

Who put that apostrophe in? It wasn't me.
Ref my earlier post, a pedant writes: " if the billboard's around the town" Who put that apostrophe in? It wasn't me. MDP

4:42pm Fri 13 Dec 13

€d says...

brandx wrote:
I have just heard that the Conservative Local Government minister, Brandon Lewis, has publicly condemned Jane Scott and her magic circle for being so greedy and pushing through their massive increases. He said that such action was totally unjustified when many in the public sector have had their pay frozen for years.

So now we have a Conservative minister attacking a Conservative controlloed Wiltshire Council. As John Craig, the well respected ex Wiltshire Fire Chief said Jane Scott has no notion of leadership and is just feathering her and her friends nests.

Meanwhile Paul Gaunt's non party political petition is collecting signatures daily. What will be the eventual outcome? A vote of no cionfidence in the Wiltshire Council leasdership? If more Conservatives had some courage and thought about the public, this could happen..

In the meantime get more and more ordinary people to sign the petition.
I doubt you will see any courage from the Conservatives, over 92% of them voted for the rise. Disgusting behaviour at a time when many are being made redundant and others are suffering a pay freeze. All of you that voted for this rise should hang your heads in shame.

I have the list of who voted what, and you will not be getting my vote come election time
[quote][p][bold]brandx[/bold] wrote: I have just heard that the Conservative Local Government minister, Brandon Lewis, has publicly condemned Jane Scott and her magic circle for being so greedy and pushing through their massive increases. He said that such action was totally unjustified when many in the public sector have had their pay frozen for years. So now we have a Conservative minister attacking a Conservative controlloed Wiltshire Council. As John Craig, the well respected ex Wiltshire Fire Chief said Jane Scott has no notion of leadership and is just feathering her and her friends nests. Meanwhile Paul Gaunt's non party political petition is collecting signatures daily. What will be the eventual outcome? A vote of no cionfidence in the Wiltshire Council leasdership? If more Conservatives had some courage and thought about the public, this could happen.. In the meantime get more and more ordinary people to sign the petition.[/p][/quote]I doubt you will see any courage from the Conservatives, over 92% of them voted for the rise. Disgusting behaviour at a time when many are being made redundant and others are suffering a pay freeze. All of you that voted for this rise should hang your heads in shame. I have the list of who voted what, and you will not be getting my vote come election time €d

5:43pm Fri 13 Dec 13

corshman says...

brasstacks wrote:
Jane Scott's comment about the Independent Panel " they wanted to make it right, not for me, but for the people who come after me" is absolutely attrocious .
Ms Scott and others voted for her and their own pay rise/s and as far as can be logically understood, that has nought to do with whoever "may come after her/them"..
What Ms Scott needs to do is to make it right, right now for the Residents of Wiltshire who have been deprived of Services because of her decisions to spend and waste Government Funding given to Wiltshire on non essential "fripperies".
Her Interview with BBC Wiltshire saw her wittering on, yet again, about wanting to ensure the protection of provision of Health & Social Services Care.
Ms Scott has to well pull her socks up after Wilts Social Services were found guilty by an Independent Ombudsman of failure to provide adequate social services to one Family who it is assumed are still owed Compensation by Wiltshire Council.

It is truly hoped that this Family were paid the Compensation that they are entitled to from Wilts Council before Ms Scott and Co get their pay rise back pay..
Ms Scott's other comments above are unbelievable considering the Allowance/s she gets paid are just that and are an Allowance and NOT a Wage.....
Depriving the People of vital Services to fund Political obsession has to stop.
Ms Scott once said: "the buck stops with me" and that just about sums up in one sentence exactly how Wiltshire Council has been run and.. for far too long.
The Residents of Wiltshire no longer want Ms Scott to "get back on the horse" she has well and truly fallen off of.
Retire gracefully please Ms Scott and..before you do, decline your back pay as a gesture that you did not vote for your pay rise just for the money ?
If you feel that you are not getting the pay dosh you think you deserve, go and find another job.
Wiltshire Council is NOT your "business empire", never was and never should be allowed to be run as your own little project.
Try to respect your front line Staff and realise that, getting rid of them in order to fund your Corporate and Executive Salaries and Allowances is not the Public Service that you chose to be Nominated and were subsequently Elected to from the ballot box ?

I would urge everyone who cares about our County to sign the "38 degrees" Petition.

It is the County and it's People that should matter and not the Conservative Party.
Couldn't put any better, spot on assessment of a truly offensive councillor.
[quote][p][bold]brasstacks[/bold] wrote: Jane Scott's comment about the Independent Panel " they wanted to make it right, not for me, but for the people who come after me" is absolutely attrocious . Ms Scott and others voted for her and their own pay rise/s and as far as can be logically understood, that has nought to do with whoever "may come after her/them".. What Ms Scott needs to do is to make it right, right now for the Residents of Wiltshire who have been deprived of Services because of her decisions to spend and waste Government Funding given to Wiltshire on non essential "fripperies". Her Interview with BBC Wiltshire saw her wittering on, yet again, about wanting to ensure the protection of provision of Health & Social Services Care. Ms Scott has to well pull her socks up after Wilts Social Services were found guilty by an Independent Ombudsman of failure to provide adequate social services to one Family who it is assumed are still owed Compensation by Wiltshire Council. It is truly hoped that this Family were paid the Compensation that they are entitled to from Wilts Council before Ms Scott and Co get their pay rise back pay.. Ms Scott's other comments above are unbelievable considering the Allowance/s she gets paid are just that and are an Allowance and NOT a Wage..... Depriving the People of vital Services to fund Political obsession has to stop. Ms Scott once said: "the buck stops with me" and that just about sums up in one sentence exactly how Wiltshire Council has been run and.. for far too long. The Residents of Wiltshire no longer want Ms Scott to "get back on the horse" she has well and truly fallen off of. Retire gracefully please Ms Scott and..before you do, decline your back pay as a gesture that you did not vote for your pay rise just for the money ? If you feel that you are not getting the pay dosh you think you deserve, go and find another job. Wiltshire Council is NOT your "business empire", never was and never should be allowed to be run as your own little project. Try to respect your front line Staff and realise that, getting rid of them in order to fund your Corporate and Executive Salaries and Allowances is not the Public Service that you chose to be Nominated and were subsequently Elected to from the ballot box ? I would urge everyone who cares about our County to sign the "38 degrees" Petition. It is the County and it's People that should matter and not the Conservative Party.[/p][/quote]Couldn't put any better, spot on assessment of a truly offensive councillor. corshman

6:43pm Fri 13 Dec 13

the optimist says...

€d wrote:
92.45% of Cons voted for the rise

25% Lab councillors voted for rise

No Lib Dems voted for rise

33% Ind voted for rise
I wouldn't take much notice of statistics as all councillors will get the increase.

Personally, I would like to see more of them, donate that increase to good causes. Only one Conservative has so far declared that intent.

The rest are all as guilty as one another regardless of party?
[quote][p][bold]€d[/bold] wrote: 92.45% of Cons voted for the rise 25% Lab councillors voted for rise No Lib Dems voted for rise 33% Ind voted for rise[/p][/quote]I wouldn't take much notice of statistics as all councillors will get the increase. Personally, I would like to see more of them, donate that increase to good causes. Only one Conservative has so far declared that intent. The rest are all as guilty as one another regardless of party? the optimist

7:12pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Pirate11 says...

As stated above, 92.5% of the Conservative Group that I am part of voted for the increase. I voted against and one other abstained. I have given my increase to charity, but I bet not many of those who voted against the rises will do the same as me. Its one thing voting against the rises but will they do the honourable thing and either not accept it or donate to charity like me? That is the challenge I set the opposition! Cllr Mark Connolly
As stated above, 92.5% of the Conservative Group that I am part of voted for the increase. I voted against and one other abstained. I have given my increase to charity, but I bet not many of those who voted against the rises will do the same as me. Its one thing voting against the rises but will they do the honourable thing and either not accept it or donate to charity like me? That is the challenge I set the opposition! Cllr Mark Connolly Pirate11

11:27pm Fri 13 Dec 13

shed says...

"Burying the story" is spot on,does the Gazette have a different editor to the Wiltshire Times, where, as has been mentioned this story tops the most commented list whereas the peeing jack Russell is still tops for the Gazette yet lags well behind.

I am now convinced that the editor of this paper has some ulterior reason for playing it down.

Jane Scott and Co will keep their snouts in this particular trough until they are dragged out.
Keep the pressure up, 2400 sigs so far.

https://you.38degree

s.org.uk/petitions/r

esignation-of-leader

-and-cabinet-of-wilt

shire-council
"Burying the story" is spot on,does the Gazette have a different editor to the Wiltshire Times, where, as has been mentioned this story tops the most commented list whereas the peeing jack Russell is still tops for the Gazette yet lags well behind. I am now convinced that the editor of this paper has some ulterior reason for playing it down. Jane Scott and Co will keep their snouts in this particular trough until they are dragged out. Keep the pressure up, 2400 sigs so far. https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/r esignation-of-leader -and-cabinet-of-wilt shire-council shed

9:23am Sat 14 Dec 13

Blanche Terraine says...

All my life my single thought has been the welfare and comfort not of myself, but of the people who come after me. I therefore understand more or less perfectly why Mrs Scott has accepted - with obvious reluctance - the massive increase in her remuneration. If only more people could follow her example of selflessness and sacrifice.
All my life my single thought has been the welfare and comfort not of myself, but of the people who come after me. I therefore understand more or less perfectly why Mrs Scott has accepted - with obvious reluctance - the massive increase in her remuneration. If only more people could follow her example of selflessness and sacrifice. Blanche Terraine

10:02am Sat 14 Dec 13

the optimist says...

Pirate11 wrote:
As stated above, 92.5% of the Conservative Group that I am part of voted for the increase. I voted against and one other abstained. I have given my increase to charity, but I bet not many of those who voted against the rises will do the same as me. Its one thing voting against the rises but will they do the honourable thing and either not accept it or donate to charity like me? That is the challenge I set the opposition! Cllr Mark Connolly
It would be interesting to see who does follow Marks good example although I would have preferred the situation had not arisen in the first place.

I too have been shown the list of voters and note that not all present voted for, against or abstained? I assume some of them took the cowards route and found themselves away from the meeting during the recorded voting procedure?

Amongst them were several Lib Dems, Conservatives along with an independent and UKIP

I will be double checking that they were actually present when the minutes are published for the February full council.
[quote][p][bold]Pirate11[/bold] wrote: As stated above, 92.5% of the Conservative Group that I am part of voted for the increase. I voted against and one other abstained. I have given my increase to charity, but I bet not many of those who voted against the rises will do the same as me. Its one thing voting against the rises but will they do the honourable thing and either not accept it or donate to charity like me? That is the challenge I set the opposition! Cllr Mark Connolly[/p][/quote]It would be interesting to see who does follow Marks good example although I would have preferred the situation had not arisen in the first place. I too have been shown the list of voters and note that not all present voted for, against or abstained? I assume some of them took the cowards route and found themselves away from the meeting during the recorded voting procedure? Amongst them were several Lib Dems, Conservatives along with an independent and UKIP I will be double checking that they were actually present when the minutes are published for the February full council. the optimist

2:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

Ref: "janescott.co.uk" - ( Ms Scott's "Blog")

Ms Scott has "informed" that she and her corporate directors are off to Chester this weekend for the Annual County Council Network Conference.

Lots of "get togethers' going on this time of year and, it can only be hoped that not too many the attendees at this "do" sympathise with Ms Scott's choice to give and take herself a Pay Rise ?..

This weekend in Wiltshire, there will be many Residents working out how to make ends meet and.. many Wilts Council Staff worrying if their Jobs are at threat.

Those Staff that have been "let go" by her must be furious to see that Ms Scott "values herself" above the Staff at the Council who actually do all the hard work ?

With Ms Scott and her Corporate Directors being fed watered and possibly Accommodated in luxurious surroundings, please take time if you can to Sign the "38 degrees Petiton " ?

Whilst Ms Scott and her "corporate musketeers" possibly partake in dancing to "Abba" or attempting the "Gagum Style" should the Event have a "Disco", back here in Wiltshire there are many Residents (including Front Line Council Staff on minimum wages...) who are struggling this Christmas to make ends meet ?

There will be many Elderly and Disabled Residents in Wiltshire who have no Service Support from Ms Scott and her Corporate Crew because the money has been spent by Ms Scott on "other things"..

With respect, Ms Scott......the Priority in Wiltshire IS the People and NOT a Corporate Event which must be reasonably assumed as being a glorified Christmas Party...??

Ms Scott tries to give the impression in her 'Blog" that she 'talks with her Staff" but....the question is that if and when she does, if she does, does she EVER listen to them ?

The 38 Degrees Petition is an urgently needed Forum now for us all to tell Ms Scott that, in Wiltshire there are MANY "ladies and men in Wiltshire who are NOT for turning"..

It is hard to understand why any Independent Councillor would actually want to vote for the Pay Rise given to Ms Scott ?

Please Sign the Petition soon if you can ?
Ref: "janescott.co.uk" - ( Ms Scott's "Blog") Ms Scott has "informed" that she and her corporate directors are off to Chester this weekend for the Annual County Council Network Conference. Lots of "get togethers' going on this time of year and, it can only be hoped that not too many the attendees at this "do" sympathise with Ms Scott's choice to give and take herself a Pay Rise ?.. This weekend in Wiltshire, there will be many Residents working out how to make ends meet and.. many Wilts Council Staff worrying if their Jobs are at threat. Those Staff that have been "let go" by her must be furious to see that Ms Scott "values herself" above the Staff at the Council who actually do all the hard work ? With Ms Scott and her Corporate Directors being fed watered and possibly Accommodated in luxurious surroundings, please take time if you can to Sign the "38 degrees Petiton " ? Whilst Ms Scott and her "corporate musketeers" possibly partake in dancing to "Abba" or attempting the "Gagum Style" should the Event have a "Disco", back here in Wiltshire there are many Residents (including Front Line Council Staff on minimum wages...) who are struggling this Christmas to make ends meet ? There will be many Elderly and Disabled Residents in Wiltshire who have no Service Support from Ms Scott and her Corporate Crew because the money has been spent by Ms Scott on "other things".. With respect, Ms Scott......the Priority in Wiltshire IS the People and NOT a Corporate Event which must be reasonably assumed as being a glorified Christmas Party...?? Ms Scott tries to give the impression in her 'Blog" that she 'talks with her Staff" but....the question is that if and when she does, if she does, does she EVER listen to them ? The 38 Degrees Petition is an urgently needed Forum now for us all to tell Ms Scott that, in Wiltshire there are MANY "ladies and men in Wiltshire who are NOT for turning".. It is hard to understand why any Independent Councillor would actually want to vote for the Pay Rise given to Ms Scott ? Please Sign the Petition soon if you can ? brasstacks

4:31pm Sat 14 Dec 13

shed says...

Without doubt Jane Scott is proving herself to have a bunker mentality, hopefully she and her cohorts will shortly have had enough rope to hang themselves.
Not much comment from Claire Perry either.


From the excellent Marlborough on line site,the following extract.

Now a Government minister condemns Wiltshire Tory council leader’s huge pay rise

Brandon Lewis, Minister for Local Government, has poured more pressure on Jane Scott, Tory leader of Wiltshire Council, who claims it is her “moral duty” to accept a massive 36 per cent rise in her council personal allowance.

Interviewed on Wiltshire Radio, the Minister strongly condemned the rises in allowances for both Mrs Scott and members of her Cabinet and said in no way could they be justified, especially when so many public sector staff had suffered a pay freeze.

“These were pushed through Council last month by use of the Tory whip and in face of opposition from members of all other parties,” Independent Wiltshire Councillor Jeff Osborn told Marlborough News Online.

“ Mr Lewis is not the first figure of standing to criticise this thoughtless and politically inept increase. John Craig, the well respected former Wiltshire Chief Fire officer publicly stated that Mrs Scott and her Cabinet demonstrated a total lack of leadership with this blatant selfish act.

“Talking to other former senior local government officers, I know there are more who feel this way. In this time of austerity and redundancies, with many of the public facing a hard Christmas, the anger against these increases is palpable and growing.

“Now we have a Tory minister condemning Tory-controlled Wiltshire Council. I don’t know if Jane Scott has responded to Mr Lewis’ strong criticism. She certainly should do so. “And so should the Wiltshire Tory MPs – Andrew Murrison, Claire Perry, James Gray and John Glen. For despite being asked for their views on Jane Scott’s action a number of times, to date they, unlike Mr Lewis, have offered precisely no criticism.”

And Mr Osborn added: “Without doubt there is a growing crisis of leadership within Tory-run Wiltshire. So much so, that some Tory Wiltshire councillors have, off the record, of course, expressed their misgivings as to the way that Jane Scott is taking the Council.

“This will not wash with the public – as indeed it does not with Tory ministers. The public rightly demand answers. How long will this leadership crisis continue? Will Wiltshire Tories end up destroying themselves?”
Without doubt Jane Scott is proving herself to have a bunker mentality, hopefully she and her cohorts will shortly have had enough rope to hang themselves. Not much comment from Claire Perry either. From the excellent Marlborough on line site,the following extract. Now a Government minister condemns Wiltshire Tory council leader’s huge pay rise Brandon Lewis, Minister for Local Government, has poured more pressure on Jane Scott, Tory leader of Wiltshire Council, who claims it is her “moral duty” to accept a massive 36 per cent rise in her council personal allowance. Interviewed on Wiltshire Radio, the Minister strongly condemned the rises in allowances for both Mrs Scott and members of her Cabinet and said in no way could they be justified, especially when so many public sector staff had suffered a pay freeze. “These were pushed through Council last month by use of the Tory whip and in face of opposition from members of all other parties,” Independent Wiltshire Councillor Jeff Osborn told Marlborough News Online. “ Mr Lewis is not the first figure of standing to criticise this thoughtless and politically inept increase. John Craig, the well respected former Wiltshire Chief Fire officer publicly stated that Mrs Scott and her Cabinet demonstrated a total lack of leadership with this blatant selfish act. “Talking to other former senior local government officers, I know there are more who feel this way. In this time of austerity and redundancies, with many of the public facing a hard Christmas, the anger against these increases is palpable and growing. “Now we have a Tory minister condemning Tory-controlled Wiltshire Council. I don’t know if Jane Scott has responded to Mr Lewis’ strong criticism. She certainly should do so. “And so should the Wiltshire Tory MPs – Andrew Murrison, Claire Perry, James Gray and John Glen. For despite being asked for their views on Jane Scott’s action a number of times, to date they, unlike Mr Lewis, have offered precisely no criticism.” And Mr Osborn added: “Without doubt there is a growing crisis of leadership within Tory-run Wiltshire. So much so, that some Tory Wiltshire councillors have, off the record, of course, expressed their misgivings as to the way that Jane Scott is taking the Council. “This will not wash with the public – as indeed it does not with Tory ministers. The public rightly demand answers. How long will this leadership crisis continue? Will Wiltshire Tories end up destroying themselves?” shed

4:47pm Sat 14 Dec 13

€d says...

The local MP's aren't going to say anything, they have their noses firmly in the trough as well. they will soon be getting an 11% rise.

Don't forget we'we're all in this together folks.
The local MP's aren't going to say anything, they have their noses firmly in the trough as well. they will soon be getting an 11% rise. Don't forget we'we're all in this together folks. €d

12:52pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Perestroika says...

Carolyn, Maggie and myself think that Lady Jane is worth every penny. Signed Carlton
Carolyn, Maggie and myself think that Lady Jane is worth every penny. Signed Carlton Perestroika

2:04pm Sun 15 Dec 13

brasstacks says...

"Carolyn, Maggie and Carlton" still have their Jobs unlike the other Staff who have been "let go"..

Perhaps they would all take time to remember that they and Jane Scott are Salary and Allowance Funded by the Tax Payers of Wiltshire and...

Every "penny" that they get paid" is to do the best they can for the Residents of Wiltshire and the Staff that provide front line Services for us all...

Professional Qualifications can no doubt bring an advantage to Administering our County Council but... fairness, transparency, democracy are surely questionably lacking when ALL Ms Scott , her Corporate "team" and Political Allies think about is the "worth" of Ms Scott and Senior Management ??

The Residents of Wiltshire do not give a hoot how many Professional Qualification "letters" Ms Scott, Dr Brand & Co have after their names..

It is the "letter of administration law" that is being questioned now by the People who apparently no longer matter to the Leader and Senior Crew...

Please Sign the Petition at 38 Degrees and....let the People speak for a change instead of Ms Scott & Co ??
"Carolyn, Maggie and Carlton" still have their Jobs unlike the other Staff who have been "let go".. Perhaps they would all take time to remember that they and Jane Scott are Salary and Allowance Funded by the Tax Payers of Wiltshire and... Every "penny" that they get paid" is to do the best they can for the Residents of Wiltshire and the Staff that provide front line Services for us all... Professional Qualifications can no doubt bring an advantage to Administering our County Council but... fairness, transparency, democracy are surely questionably lacking when ALL Ms Scott , her Corporate "team" and Political Allies think about is the "worth" of Ms Scott and Senior Management ?? The Residents of Wiltshire do not give a hoot how many Professional Qualification "letters" Ms Scott, Dr Brand & Co have after their names.. It is the "letter of administration law" that is being questioned now by the People who apparently no longer matter to the Leader and Senior Crew... Please Sign the Petition at 38 Degrees and....let the People speak for a change instead of Ms Scott & Co ?? brasstacks

9:08pm Sun 15 Dec 13

shed says...

always add the link
2,456 sigs, let's make it 3000 and ruin her Christmas.

http://you.38degrees .org.uk/petitions/re
signation-of-leader- and-cabinet-of-wilts hire-council
always add the link 2,456 sigs, let's make it 3000 and ruin her Christmas. http://you.38degrees .org.uk/petitions/re signation-of-leader- and-cabinet-of-wilts hire-council shed

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