Trowbridge protesters present Bowyers petition (From Wiltshire Times)

"Dozens of angry residents, who want to see the old Bowyers pork pie factory in Stallard Street redeveloped"

I agree. I quite miss their pork pies!

When we moved to the area 19 years ago with our 2 young children there was talk of plans for a cinema at the old Tesco site. Our children are now grown up and have both left the county. Shame there isn't a good range of leisure facilities for our families and youngsters. Expect many spend their limited resources for leisure activities in neighbouring towns and counties. It's very shortsighted of the authorities. Time there was investment and improvements so we can have a thriving county town instead of decline and letting it go to rack and ruin.

We moved to Trowbridge in 1984 and lived there until 2006. I know every inch of the town as I worked in the community. I can honestly say Wiltshire Council is run by some of the most corrupt money grabbing self centered individuals who don't give a toss about the long term future of this town and it's people. I Blame the planners in particular who are the parasites of the private dwelling property developers.We visited in 2011 and I still see the same land in the same disused state, how on earth can this be allowed?
We now live overseas in a city I don't mind paying my rates. Its clean, beautifully kept and consolts with the public on all major developments before building.
Shame on you Wiltshire Council Trowbridge will continue to be the poor relation to other Wiltshire market towns.

4mergirl wrote:
When we moved to the area 19 years ago with our 2 young children there was talk of plans for a cinema at the old Tesco site. Our children are now grown up and have both left the county. Shame there isn't a good range of leisure facilities for our families and youngsters. Expect many spend their limited resources for leisure activities in neighbouring towns and counties. It's very shortsighted of the authorities. Time there was investment and improvements so we can have a thriving county town instead of decline and letting it go to rack and ruin.

A Cinema - 8 Restaurants and a Hotel are currently being built at the Old Tesco site (St Stephen's Place)

Here's a link to some photos of the progress,

http://s1156.photobu
cket.com/albums/p569
/pcs_wilts/

This must be the wind down of Angus Horton's PR Campaign now. Not much else he can do but watch Odeon be built whilst awaiting the planning inspectorates opinion of his unsustainable and non compliant (as far as the National Policy Framework Policy goes) plans go.

I do recall Rebecca Millard on her own Facebook support page stating that she was not solely campaigning for another cinema but solely for the development of Bowyers site. Maybe she could petition Angus Horton to put something other than a cinema on the site...

I would like to see the Bowyers site developed - Lets have a Morrisons store and petrol station and something else that is viable at the same time as complimenting the town.

If you look at L&G development timeline you will see that they will be handing the Odeon building over to Odeon in April 2013. I have no reason to believe this will not happen as they so far have been silently delivering their promises.

I hope the people of Trowbridge appreciate that L&G Leisure have not got caught up in the mud slinging that has been the notion of other camps so far.

God Bless L&G Leisure! The first company that has looked at Trowbridge seriously in over two decades and will actually action their words! *tips hat*

Tip- when it opens don't buy any of their refreshments at the cinema, buy elsewhere and save loads of your money. this is how they make profit as if tickets ain't costly enough!!

PCS_Wilts wrote:

4mergirl wrote:
When we moved to the area 19 years ago with our 2 young children there was talk of plans for a cinema at the old Tesco site. Our children are now grown up and have both left the county. Shame there isn't a good range of leisure facilities for our families and youngsters. Expect many spend their limited resources for leisure activities in neighbouring towns and counties. It's very shortsighted of the authorities. Time there was investment and improvements so we can have a thriving county town instead of decline and letting it go to rack and ruin.

A Cinema - 8 Restaurants and a Hotel are currently being built at the Old Tesco site (St Stephen's Place)

Here's a link to some photos of the progress,

http://s1156.photobu

cket.com/albums/p569

/pcs_wilts/

Yeah, its wonderful that someones protesting, but if theres already soemthing being developed on the old Tesco site, theres really no need for another complex - Bowyers should be made into housing as im sick of seeing the green belt destroyed.

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PCS-There will be no wind down of Angus Horners campaign to get what is right for Trowbridge.In fact,it will be ramped up over the next few months. Also, there are procedures in place where developments which have been held back can be fast tracked on appeal .
Ahh so you would like to see a Morrisons now would you?--changed your tune have you? So much for TRAM- it got derailed pretty quickly.
And you would prefer a loss making company to run a cinema in Trowbridge would you, rather than one that has been consistently in profit?
Just because a cinema is being constructed on SSP doesnt mean to say its the right one-
I want you PCS- to give us in detail your answer about how you are going to address the car parking on holiday dates for this cinema or when big events happen in the park.
Come on --I want to hear it???????
If ive said a dozen times over the past 10 months about this major problem--not once- NOT ONCE HAVE YOU GIVEN A VALID ANSWER.
You are all hot air with no substance.
You obviously agree that there should be an Odeon monopoly here from Bath to Salisbury meaning high evening ticket prices and paying for their losses as a result.
Thankfully for the people of Trowbridge and West Wiltshire and beyond-I dont agree with this monopoly full stop.
Cineworld are committed to build here-so regardless of what you keep on trying to do, which is to sow seeds of doubt -or why we shouldnt have another cinema because one is already under construction-or that a cinema should now be removed off of the Innox Riverside????-YOU JUST DONT YOU GET IT DO YOU??!!!!!!!!!!
The Cineworld cinema WILL happen as and when the IR gets through the appeal.
The planning inspector will see all the adverse comments about the car parking at SSP and letters that have been raised especially from a cinema professional like myself and the problems of the hotel residents parking; and restaurants and the park and civic centre compounding the area with traffic; and the workers and shoppers that use a multi storey car park that is covenanted and was GIVEN to Trowbridge-AND NOT GIVEN TO A CINEMA OR HOTEL!!!!! .
He cannot and will not ignore this.
And finally when the groundbreaking happens it may well be a situation that IR opens 6 months after SSP,but it wont be a moment too soon because people will realize what I and many other people on here have been saying all along.
AT SSP-THERE ISNT ENOUGH CAR PARKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!

We shall see, we shall see. Not going to argue with you Mike - we've been over this like you said a dozen times - lets just see what unfolds shall we.

PCS skirting around giving an answer to the parking sItuation AGAIN. me thinks that he hasn't an answer that holds up

Yes I know Yeold6x-And he wont ever give an answer to it because he knows he hasnt got one and neither has L and G.
Just an extra 111 spaces for a 1230 seater cinema, 500plus people in restaurants and an 80 bedroomed hotel and for events in the civic centre and for the park (i guess all the employees of SSP with cars will use the free multi storey car park thats rammed daily 8am-6pm otherwise they'll get a ticket on the 111 space one)--give me strength-all of my film colleagues say its laughable.
Ive watched from the multi storey car park over the last week the surveyors doing their job and the diggers rearranging the soil and the spoil. From what I can judge,they must think we all drive mini's.I think large transit vans and 4 x 4 cars will be touching white lines(instant parking ticket my guess)-and who do you think will be using the Premier Inns frequently? thats it- reps with large cars and mr white van man-this is going to be an absolute classic.

Odeon was only passed by council to cover what would have been a mountain of waste right outside their £x million new home, i mean its not nice to have powerful visitors and workers looking out of the windows at deserted mess is it!! People in high places have sorted this out.

yeold6x wrote:
PCS skirting around giving an answer to the parking sItuation AGAIN. me thinks that he hasn't an answer that holds up

Or you could look through older posts and find my answer there

AMVanquish007 wrote:
Yes I know Yeold6x-And he wont ever give an answer to it because he knows he hasnt got one and neither has L and G.
Just an extra 111 spaces for a 1230 seater cinema, 500plus people in restaurants and an 80 bedroomed hotel and for events in the civic centre and for the park (i guess all the employees of SSP with cars will use the free multi storey car park thats rammed daily 8am-6pm otherwise they'll get a ticket on the 111 space one)--give me strength-all of my film colleagues say its laughable.
Ive watched from the multi storey car park over the last week the surveyors doing their job and the diggers rearranging the soil and the spoil. From what I can judge,they must think we all drive mini's.I think large transit vans and 4 x 4 cars will be touching white lines(instant parking ticket my guess)-and who do you think will be using the Premier Inns frequently? thats it- reps with large cars and mr white van man-this is going to be an absolute classic.

I have given an answer - go find it.

You can hardly talk - your professional opinion has changed so many times since October 2011.

The planning inspectorate will look at ssp only in the sense of sustainability of a second cinema - parking arrangements at ssp are not only irrelevant but carry no bearing on IR.

My point Mike is regardless of your "opinion" on SSP - time will serve to see whether or not you are right. Odeon is being built regardless of your "opinion".

IR plans will be looked at in their own right.

I am fully aware that Odeon may be constructing their cinema- I have never denied that-and my professional opinion hasn't changed -it's you that has chosen to reinterpret it to suit your flawed arguments. But yet again you still don't answer the relevant questions that you claim to have answered in the past but you haven't - relying like L an G on an out of date Highways survey totally irrelevant to the 21st century and requirements of a multiplex cinema that not one of the council surveyors have had experience of. You appear to say my 'opinions' are questionable but they are as a result of facts and evidence from past experience- something which you haven't got but I have- I did say that film colleagues have said to me that the situation is laughable regarding the lack of car parking. These people are hardly ever wrong but I guess being the individual that you are PCS you won't accept experience and knowledge til it hits you in the face.

There are nearly 2000 spaces within a ten minute walk Mike - No different to Odeon in Bath - Stop harping on about SSP and get Angus Horner to sort his plans out.

I notice Highways did their own traffic count around Stallards Street a couple of weeks ago - So their survey will be pretty up to date when it comes to IR huh

Why does this topic bring forth huge amounts of hogwash followed by quoted and requoted hogwash?

Oh Vanquish, you really have little to no understanding of the planning system don’t you. As PCS has said the Innox appeal will focus on Innox, not SSP.

Fact is there was no reason to refuse SSP. It might not be perfect, (especially for immediate car parking) but there was nothing to refuse it on. Also in response to these ‘theories’ that the Council manipulated a cinema to be built next to the civic centre the market decides what is viable and comes forward, not the Council.

SSP was decided first because it didn’t have issues coming out of its ears like Innox does, there’s no supermarket for one. If the Council refused to issue a decision, there would be another appeal AND a 6/7 figure award of costs for unreasonable behaviour. Willing to have your Council Tax go up to pay for it marchers?

The main obstacle to Innox, is actually Mr Horner. His point blank refusal to change the plans to meet highways concerns is the main sticking point for Councillors. It seems to me at Committee that that was their main concern. The marchers all put their faith in a man who claimed, in writing, to have agreed solution with network rail. Network rail said no deal was agreed. He also peddles other half truths about the petrol station being removed. If he was so sure the scheme is awesome, why did he remove the petrol station from the proposal?

An appeal ‘victory’ won’t get you the petrol station. It will only approve the existing plans.

Why don’t you 007 and Rachel use your influence on Mr Horner and get him to change the plans and include the petrol station, without demolishing the listed buildings nor putting a huge forecourt right next to them. Also sort out the highways issues, use the arts budget to pay for it and re-apply for planning permission. You are far more likely to get an approval from Councillors that way.

As for another supermarket and cinema, I’m in-different. Let competition and choice win the day.
Shame the ‘riverside walk’ can’t be improved. You’ll have a huge blank elevation with plenty of corners for muggers to hide in and the north east facing outdoor restaurant spaces in near constant shadow will be very enjoyable. And cold. Only on days like today, will they be worth visiting.

As for Dr Murrison getting involved; why didn’t he speak up when both applications were in? Seems a tad opportunist jumping on the back of a good old protest with a bit of publicity.
So come on 007, use your influence. Get Mr Horner to sort the issues out and try again. A new planning application is likely to be quicker than an appeal decision. Rachel, I admire your get up and go, you’re the type of person that will make Localism thrive in our area. You too can help make Mr Horner change his plans for the better. That way you get the full monty, with petrol station, rather than risk getting nothing if the appeal is lost.

Well said - as usual!

The SSP site is being readied for construction to begin in the next week or so. Still silently delivering promises on schedule. In one way I admire L&G for their silence but if I were Tim Russell I would probably have tried to hit you harder than he has.

Photo update

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