A JUDGE has warned a group of teenagers who carried out a six-year vendetta against a west Wiltshire milkman they could be facing a prison sentence.
District Judge Simon Cooper told the five, all from Bradford on Avon, their targeted campaign of theft was shocking and reprehensible' and the community needed to see justice done.
Luke Hammerton, of Avon Close, Gradyn Runyeard-Hunt, of Winsley Road, and Ashley Keirl, of Kingston Avenue, all 18, along with a 17 year old boy who cannot be named for legal reasons, admitted stealing dairy products worth an estimated £12,000 from milkman Michael Bulling between 2001 and 2007 at Chippenham magistrates' court on Wednesday.
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A further joint charge of harassment against Mr Bulling was withdrawn.
The four, along with 18 year old Samuel Jordan, of Avon Close, also admitted carrying out a burglary at Planks Dairy in Poulshot near Devizes in September 2007.
The court heard that over a period of years the group repeatedly stole milk and other dairy products from people's doorsteps in Bradford on Avon and the surrounding area.
They followed milkmen on their rounds in the early hours of the morning, sometimes riding on scooters alongside the milk floats while stealing from them and verbally abusing and intimidating Mr Bulling and his staff.
They set up a website on Bebo called BESMBE (Bradford Early Street Milk Blagging Elite), which chillingly included a photo of Mr Bulling's parents' gravestone, and bragged about their crimes without realising it was being monitored by police.
Prosecuting, Tessa Hingston said: "This caused a great deal of distress, annoyance and nuisance to the local residents. But in particular it affected Michael Bulling and his staff.
"The verbal abuse and harassment meant that the milkmen were forced to return to the yard, change their routes or abandon them altogether."
Many of his staff took early retirement or left and Mr Bulling eventually sold most of his business to Dairy Crest.
The police investigation continued over years but it proved difficult to identify exactly who had committed the crimes, until September last year when the five were caught red-handed stealing £150 worth of dairy products from Plank's Dairy.
Miss Hingston said it was likely many more were involved over the years and that Jordan's older brother had been one of the instigators of the vendetta.
Each of the defendant's solicitors said they had been drawn into the campaign but were not ringleaders, had admitted their crimes had got out of hand and were truly sorry.
Andrew Watts Jones said Runyeard-Hunt suffered from mild Asperger's syndrome and the others wound him up because it was fun to see what happened'.
Judge Cooper adjourned the case for reports to be prepared on the five.
He added: "What's evident to me is that you have deprived good men of their living and the satisfaction of a job well done. On of the things I will consider for the benefit of the community and to deter others from offending in this way is a custodial sentence."
Posted by: The Voice of Reason, Westbury on 4:20pm Fri 16 May 08
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A further joint charge of harassment against Mr Bulling was withdrawn.
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Guilty of thefts over 6 years (and the website) but that does not constitute harassment? Get real CPS!
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A further joint charge of harassment against Mr Bulling was withdrawn.
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Guilty of thefts over 6 years (and the website) but that does not constitute harassment? Get real CPS!
Posted by: Hayley, Bradford-On-Avon on 4:46pm Fri 16 May 08
Exactly! I think the picture of Mr Bullings parents grave on their website, an obvoius geer at their victim, constitues as harrassment.
These boys thought they were being clever, it is a shame that they weren't intelligent enough to think not to put their pictures and names on their website. How stupid can you get?
Then again, it isn't a shame really - it brought them to some form of justice.
Exactly! I think the picture of Mr Bullings parents grave on their website, an obvoius geer at their victim, constitues as harrassment.
These boys thought they were being clever, it is a shame that they weren't intelligent enough to think not to put their pictures and names on their website. How stupid can you get?
Then again, it isn't a shame really - it brought them to some form of justice.
Posted by: Walter McCabe, Freshford on 4:55pm Fri 16 May 08
Prediction time, these little &^%$£*'s bleating Mothers will kick up such a bawling fuss claiming little &^%$ was really innocent occifer that the social workers will get them a year picking up litter, which they wont even be made to do. They should be forced into slavery for Mr Bulling for the rest of their naturals!
Prediction time, these little &^%$£*'s bleating Mothers will kick up such a bawling fuss claiming little &^%$ was really innocent occifer that the social workers will get them a year picking up litter, which they wont even be made to do. They should be forced into slavery for Mr Bulling for the rest of their naturals!
Posted by: Alex Zivojinovich, Wiltshire on 5:26pm Fri 16 May 08
Do we really need any of these dullards in our society. My sentiments reflect what has already been said. I think they will basically get away with their crimes. Judges need to come down hard on these wasters. Make an example of them with the harshest possible punshments. Shame we cant just take these people somewhere and quietly dispose of them. They are surplus to societies requirements.
Do we really need any of these dullards in our society. My sentiments reflect what has already been said. I think they will basically get away with their crimes. Judges need to come down hard on these wasters. Make an example of them with the harshest possible punshments. Shame we cant just take these people somewhere and quietly dispose of them. They are surplus to societies requirements.
Posted by: Wiltshire Resident, Wiltshire on 8:09pm Fri 16 May 08
Hayley, you should read the article again, but just in case you missed it, here is the relevant bit - The police investigation continued over years but it proved difficult to identify exactly who had committed the crimes, until September last year when the five were caught red-handed stealing £150 worth of dairy products from Plank's Dairy.
So you see, the Police were working on it, but had no proof andthat is the important bit !!
Hayley, you should read the article again, but just in case you missed it, here is the relevant bit - The police investigation continued over years but it proved difficult to identify exactly who had committed the crimes, until September last year when the five were caught red-handed stealing £150 worth of dairy products from Plank's Dairy.
So you see, the Police were working on it, but had no proof andthat is the important bit !!
Posted by: english bulldog, sin-city on 9:05pm Fri 16 May 08
these crimes have been going on 6 years, meaning they were 11-12yr olds when they started,didnt the parents notice them going out early in the mornings, i mean milkmen deliver about 4-5am and to steal the products before the customers where awake
it must have been early hours for children of those ages or were the parents having bacon and eggs every morning.
these crimes have been going on 6 years, meaning they were 11-12yr olds when they started,didnt the parents notice them going out early in the mornings, i mean milkmen deliver about 4-5am and to steal the products before the customers where awake
it must have been early hours for children of those ages or were the parents having bacon and eggs every morning.
Posted by: ba14 all day every day baby, trowbridge on 10:18pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted of[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ba14 all day every day baby[/bold] wrote: did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????[/quote] Meaning what exactly? [/quote] not saying any think just find it a bit convienient .s.g.f.u.s.
Disgusted of wrote:
ba14 all day every day baby wrote: did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????
Meaning what exactly?
not saying any think just find it a bit convienient .s.g.f.u.s.
Posted by: super pip, trowbridge on 6:51am Sat 17 May 08
Surely if they were 11-12 yrs old at the time , why were they allowed out. They're parents are as guilty as they are. send the buggers down for 12months, the crimes done now, but my god teach them. they can't get away with it, i expect they'll be little butter wouldnt melt and cry in court anyway. i expect the Judge 'Jester' will send them out with slapped wrist.
Surely if they were 11-12 yrs old at the time , why were they allowed out. They're parents are as guilty as they are. send the buggers down for 12months, the crimes done now, but my god teach them. they can't get away with it, i expect they'll be little butter wouldnt melt and cry in court anyway. i expect the Judge 'Jester' will send them out with slapped wrist.
Posted by: Hayley, Bradford-On-Avon on 5:03pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Wiltshire Resident[/bold] wrote:
Hayley, you should read the article again, but just in case you missed it, here is the relevant bit - The police investigation continued over years but it proved difficult to identify exactly who had committed the crimes, until September last year when the five were caught red-handed stealing £150 worth of dairy products from Plank's Dairy. So you see, the Police were working on it, but had no proof andthat is the important bit !![/quote] All they had to do was ask local residents and hang around Bradford-On-Avon in the early hours of the morning when milk rounds were taking place and they would have caught them all red handed.
Wiltshire Resident wrote:
Hayley, you should read the article again, but just in case you missed it, here is the relevant bit - The police investigation continued over years but it proved difficult to identify exactly who had committed the crimes, until September last year when the five were caught red-handed stealing £150 worth of dairy products from Plank's Dairy. So you see, the Police were working on it, but had no proof andthat is the important bit !!
All they had to do was ask local residents and hang around Bradford-On-Avon in the early hours of the morning when milk rounds were taking place and they would have caught them all red handed.
Posted by: ba14 all day every day baby, trowbridge on 7:28pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ba14 all day every day baby[/bold] wrote:
did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????[/quote] No, I don't think they did.[/quote] well i think they should lo
Andy wrote:
ba14 all day every day baby wrote:
did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????
Posted by: damsel, West Wiltshire on 9:15pm Sun 18 May 08
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY!
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY!
Posted by: Alex Zivojinovich, Wiltshire on 9:15pm Mon 19 May 08
I refer you to my earlier comments...
Dont try and somehow justify what you did (if indeed you are genuine here) with things like spitting gum out, however abhorent that is also. You are in a different league and with any luck you're going down. Don't forget the vaseline tho, eh!
I refer you to my earlier comments...
Dont try and somehow justify what you did (if indeed you are genuine here) with things like spitting gum out, however abhorent that is also. You are in a different league and with any luck you're going down. Don't forget the vaseline tho, eh!
Posted by: squirrel nutkins, bradford on avon on 10:08am Tue 20 May 08
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand.
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand.
Posted by: super pip, trowbridge on 10:22am Tue 20 May 08
Guilty and sentence. If everyone so concerned about the poor halfwits, help pay for the stress and loss of earnings.Oh, you gone quiet.Make a statement in a letter to the wiltshire times to this fact 'that your sorry' no nothing. Has anyone of the twerps written and apologised to the milkman..urm..no. If they're sorry and had problems why did you or the parent who must of wondered where all the milk bottle were coming from and sat them down and sorted out the problems..again..no. They for years consistantly mentally abused a hard worker of the community. Did any of you stand up for him..urm...no. we've all done mister meaners..yes. But to go out and completely wreck a man for no good reason and dim wittingly post it on the internet shows what little intelligence they have. Grow up go to prison and get over it.
Guilty and sentence. If everyone so concerned about the poor halfwits, help pay for the stress and loss of earnings.Oh, you gone quiet.Make a statement in a letter to the wiltshire times to this fact 'that your sorry' no nothing. Has anyone of the twerps written and apologised to the milkman..urm..no. If they're sorry and had problems why did you or the parent who must of wondered where all the milk bottle were coming from and sat them down and sorted out the problems..again..no. They for years consistantly mentally abused a hard worker of the community. Did any of you stand up for him..urm...no. we've all done mister meaners..yes. But to go out and completely wreck a man for no good reason and dim wittingly post it on the internet shows what little intelligence they have. Grow up go to prison and get over it.
Posted by: ba14 all day every day baby, trowbridge on 9:29pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]damsel[/bold] wrote:
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY![/quote] man you talk some **** any one eles think so ????
damsel wrote:
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY!
Posted by: bsby666, devizes on 9:17am Wed 21 May 08
Im with Superpip on this one, they are scum and they must pay for their crimes, if they are so sorry why didnt they stop? why? because they we not sorry, theyre only sorry now because they got caught. But ihave to say Damsel you have balls to comment on here and to admit and say what you did, i have expected a cocky "i dont care" attitude, Maybe you will grow up to be a fine citizen, i really hope so.
Im with Superpip on this one, they are scum and they must pay for their crimes, if they are so sorry why didnt they stop? why? because they we not sorry, theyre only sorry now because they got caught. But ihave to say Damsel you have balls to comment on here and to admit and say what you did, i have expected a cocky "i dont care" attitude, Maybe you will grow up to be a fine citizen, i really hope so.
Posted by: damsel, West Wiltshire on 5:36pm Wed 21 May 08
We did stop to be bloody honest!! we tried... but there are wayyy more than us five!!!
Its still going on, I got told this afternoon that someone had taken 3 pints from his neighbour.. so yea ok... judge cooper will sentence us, yes we will deserve this. but its obviously not going to work, 2day we are in the Daily Mail, The Metro, The evening standard(LONDON), the Western Daily Press. Where ever i go i get reli dirrty looks, because of this now, coming out nationwide. I feel judge Cooper will be making examples of us! Not reli fair. Like i have sed. yes we have done wrong, yes we deserve to be punished! And we will be..
But id be the 1st to stand up and help catch the rest of the ***** that are still bloody doing it, whilst we are under the spotlight.
We are sorry, and thank you bsby666 from devizes. maybe u are one of the few ppl, hu understands how much we didnt expect it to get this far.
We did stop to be bloody honest!! we tried... but there are wayyy more than us five!!!
Its still going on, I got told this afternoon that someone had taken 3 pints from his neighbour.. so yea ok... judge cooper will sentence us, yes we will deserve this. but its obviously not going to work, 2day we are in the Daily Mail, The Metro, The evening standard(LONDON), the Western Daily Press. Where ever i go i get reli dirrty looks, because of this now, coming out nationwide. I feel judge Cooper will be making examples of us! Not reli fair. Like i have sed. yes we have done wrong, yes we deserve to be punished! And we will be..
But id be the 1st to stand up and help catch the rest of the ***** that are still bloody doing it, whilst we are under the spotlight.
We are sorry, and thank you bsby666 from devizes. maybe u are one of the few ppl, hu understands how much we didnt expect it to get this far.
Posted by: super pip, trowbridge on 7:50pm Wed 21 May 08
ok then, i'm a fair person,i'll give you (damsel) the benefit of the doubt. What do you thinks going to happen? i agree its been a fair few years but what have you learnt,be honest, what do you think will happen?
ok then, i'm a fair person,i'll give you (damsel) the benefit of the doubt. What do you thinks going to happen? i agree its been a fair few years but what have you learnt,be honest, what do you think will happen?
Posted by: bsby666, devizes on 10:07pm Wed 21 May 08
Well then Damsel, do the right thing and help find the others still doing this, i think you owe it to poor Micheal Bulling, change everything youve done, be a good person, hopefully its not too late.
Well then Damsel, do the right thing and help find the others still doing this, i think you owe it to poor Micheal Bulling, change everything youve done, be a good person, hopefully its not too late.
Posted by: damsel, West Wiltshire on 10:58pm Wed 21 May 08
I was stood in victory field, in bradford on avon the other night with another "colleague" and a load of other friends, and friends of friends.. about 50 or 60 ppl.. i dnt think not one of them could have stood up and sed they had never taken a pint of milk.. the police no they havnt caught everyone.. and ill help them catch them! I promise u.. coz yea we now know that its wrong.. thats why we stopped last year. but its still going on... so wats gunna happen... I dnt no.. I think a prison sentence is iminent... so lets hope whilst we are away, the police can find the rest of them eh!
I was stood in victory field, in bradford on avon the other night with another "colleague" and a load of other friends, and friends of friends.. about 50 or 60 ppl.. i dnt think not one of them could have stood up and sed they had never taken a pint of milk.. the police no they havnt caught everyone.. and ill help them catch them! I promise u.. coz yea we now know that its wrong.. thats why we stopped last year. but its still going on... so wats gunna happen... I dnt no.. I think a prison sentence is iminent... so lets hope whilst we are away, the police can find the rest of them eh!
Posted by: jay.jay, bradford-on-avon on 10:40am Thu 22 May 08
do we for get these boys all have parents or careers,they mite have done wrong and they are all willing to pay for there wrong doing,there are more murderers out there who don't care what they did, but its always the families that have to pay for the discripancies of children and thats what they are somebodies children, can any one honestly say that they or anyone in there family as never done anything wrong a brother, sister, mother, father, cousins and even friends i dont think so we all know somebody who has done something so stop picking on young boys who are willing to pay for what they done and get on with your own lifes and be there for your families and friends
do we for get these boys all have parents or careers,they mite have done wrong and they are all willing to pay for there wrong doing,there are more murderers out there who don't care what they did, but its always the families that have to pay for the discripancies of children and thats what they are somebodies children, can any one honestly say that they or anyone in there family as never done anything wrong a brother, sister, mother, father, cousins and even friends i dont think so we all know somebody who has done something so stop picking on young boys who are willing to pay for what they done and get on with your own lifes and be there for your families and friends
Posted by: squirrel nutkins, bradford on avon on 10:41pm Thu 22 May 08
im one of the "notourious" 6 who has been caught, at the end of the day and i quote the name "Alex Zivojinovich" what right do you have to call us scum, you only know half a story at the end of the day unless this has affected any of the people commenting just keep them to yourselves as you know NOTHING, and i wil put my point across that should i go to prison so be it im willing to own up for what iv done, but as the judge quoted in the courtroom "this is happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY" we and i stress the word "WERE" a minute minority of the bigger picture.
im one of the "notourious" 6 who has been caught, at the end of the day and i quote the name "Alex Zivojinovich" what right do you have to call us scum, you only know half a story at the end of the day unless this has affected any of the people commenting just keep them to yourselves as you know NOTHING, and i wil put my point across that should i go to prison so be it im willing to own up for what iv done, but as the judge quoted in the courtroom "this is happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY" we and i stress the word "WERE" a minute minority of the bigger picture.
Posted by: Saimi, Warminster on 5:30pm Fri 23 May 08
[bold]Damsel[/bold] wrote: [quote]as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum..[/quote] - how this quite compares to bullying and intimidation of a human being is beyond me.
Damsel wrote:
as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum..
- how this quite compares to bullying and intimidation of a human being is beyond me.
Posted by: ernie, Devizes on 11:29am Sun 25 May 08
Well squirell nutkins. I think that I am in a very good position to comment, and think that i've been affected enough to call you scum!! I would be glad to hear your half of the story as I'm sure so would everyone else, as I dont understand the reasons for the mental torture that you have put on Mr Bulling and the Plank family. Pinching a few pints of milk and eggs is perhaps not the end of the world but what about scaring people until they are to scared to go to work, lying in bed wondering who is going to break into the yard tonight. As you quote 'this is happening all over the country' this makes it alright then does it ?
Well squirell nutkins. I think that I am in a very good position to comment, and think that i've been affected enough to call you scum!! I would be glad to hear your half of the story as I'm sure so would everyone else, as I dont understand the reasons for the mental torture that you have put on Mr Bulling and the Plank family. Pinching a few pints of milk and eggs is perhaps not the end of the world but what about scaring people until they are to scared to go to work, lying in bed wondering who is going to break into the yard tonight. As you quote 'this is happening all over the country' this makes it alright then does it ?
Posted by: upforit, trowbridge on 8:19pm Mon 26 May 08
Put them behind bars and their parents with them, let them stew together for at least 20 years. I'm fed up of out of control prats not being accounatable for by the people that put them on this planet. Scum bags, all of them.
Put them behind bars and their parents with them, let them stew together for at least 20 years. I'm fed up of out of control prats not being accounatable for by the people that put them on this planet. Scum bags, all of them.
Posted by: drbennyboombass, bradford on 9:01am Wed 28 May 08
do you think you will be mean to people again? r u scared? i dont care what happens to you!! as long as you have learned to not b mean cus it hurts not only the people you do it to but it hurts you and your familys so good luck!!
do you think you will be mean to people again? r u scared? i dont care what happens to you!! as long as you have learned to not b mean cus it hurts not only the people you do it to but it hurts you and your familys so good luck!!
Posted by: ba14 all day every day baby, trowbridge on 9:54pm Thu 29 May 08
i think the coppers son will get a way with it like her to boys alway do the injoy joy smashing people up on the weekend and they always get away it the **** should lose her job treet her like they treet any other parent blame her isnt what they say blame the parents well dont see them saying now do you ?/?????? f.f.s.b.h.
i think the coppers son will get a way with it like her to boys alway do the injoy joy smashing people up on the weekend and they always get away it the **** should lose her job treet her like they treet any other parent blame her isnt what they say blame the parents well dont see them saying now do you ?/?????? f.f.s.b.h.
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 10:01pm Thu 29 May 08
They made mistakes, it takes the ****. People get smashed up and nearly killed or killed n get away with it, yet pranks that went too far n they are gna get sentenced!! "The **** should lose her job" **** you!!!!!! Shes not to blame!! and they dnt get away with "smashin ppl up".......they dnt deserve to be sentenced for this, and if they do go down then it shows what a crock of **** the law really is!
They made mistakes, it takes the ****. People get smashed up and nearly killed or killed n get away with it, yet pranks that went too far n they are gna get sentenced!! "The **** should lose her job" **** you!!!!!! Shes not to blame!! and they dnt get away with "smashin ppl up".......they dnt deserve to be sentenced for this, and if they do go down then it shows what a crock of **** the law really is!
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 10:15pm Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]damsel[/bold] wrote:
We did stop to be bloody honest!! we tried... but there are wayyy more than us five!!! Its still going on, I got told this afternoon that someone had taken 3 pints from his neighbour.. so yea ok... judge cooper will sentence us, yes we will deserve this. but its obviously not going to work, 2day we are in the Daily Mail, The Metro, The evening standard(LONDON), the Western Daily Press. Where ever i go i get reli dirrty looks, because of this now, coming out nationwide. I feel judge Cooper will be making examples of us! Not reli fair. Like i have sed. yes we have done wrong, yes we deserve to be punished! And we will be.. But id be the 1st to stand up and help catch the rest of the ***** that are still bloody doing it, whilst we are under the spotlight. We are sorry, and thank you bsby666 from devizes. maybe u are one of the few ppl, hu understands how much we didnt expect it to get this far.[/quote] Fair enough, i think you lot have learnt your lesson and if yu go down it takes the **** as people are gettin away with killing people nowadays but when its over some pranks gone too far you get punished???!!! I wish you the best of luck. My brother nearly got killed, just outside our house in trow, and for no rreason, n that **** went down for like...a year?!!? its gettin stupid! xxx
damsel wrote:
We did stop to be bloody honest!! we tried... but there are wayyy more than us five!!! Its still going on, I got told this afternoon that someone had taken 3 pints from his neighbour.. so yea ok... judge cooper will sentence us, yes we will deserve this. but its obviously not going to work, 2day we are in the Daily Mail, The Metro, The evening standard(LONDON), the Western Daily Press. Where ever i go i get reli dirrty looks, because of this now, coming out nationwide. I feel judge Cooper will be making examples of us! Not reli fair. Like i have sed. yes we have done wrong, yes we deserve to be punished! And we will be.. But id be the 1st to stand up and help catch the rest of the ***** that are still bloody doing it, whilst we are under the spotlight. We are sorry, and thank you bsby666 from devizes. maybe u are one of the few ppl, hu understands how much we didnt expect it to get this far.
Fair enough, i think you lot have learnt your lesson and if yu go down it takes the **** as people are gettin away with killing people nowadays but when its over some pranks gone too far you get punished???!!! I wish you the best of luck. My brother nearly got killed, just outside our house in trow, and for no rreason, n that **** went down for like...a year?!!? its gettin stupid! xxx
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 10:21pm Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]squirrel nutkins[/bold] wrote:
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand. [/quote] Thankyouu!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!!!!
STOP BEING SAD!!
They were having a laugh n they thought it was funny.
They have learnt theyre lesson so why not concentrate on the real problems in the world!!!!????
[bold]bold[/bold]
squirrel nutkins wrote:
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand.
Thankyouu!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!!!!
STOP BEING SAD!!
They were having a laugh n they thought it was funny.
They have learnt theyre lesson so why not concentrate on the real problems in the world!!!!????
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 10:27pm Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]damsel[/bold] wrote:
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY![/quote] They admitt it............if they go down dnt ya think it shows how sad n rediculous law is getin??
My brother was nearly killed and the guy didn't go down, yet some teenagers who pulled a prank thats gone too far are gna go down?? thats not right...........they have learnt theyre lesson and shouldn't people be focusing on the bigger problems???!
damsel wrote:
Yea ok... we have done wrong. yea we do know we are guna get punished. This started off as a small prank.. It got way out of control!! we admit this.. we are all sorry for the part we have played. at the end of the day,, even tho they caught us.. there are so many other ppl in WILTSHIRE, not just boa hu have done, doing and will do when we are sentenced. Obviously one has learnt his lesson and is full of genuine remorse. but like some1 has sed. Yes the crime has already been committed. now we will pay for it. To be honest i dnt think any of you have any place to comment... as probably not one of u can say uv never done nething illegal.. when i say that i mean nething.. speeding.. spitting.. smoking underage.. underage drinking.. littering.. spitting out chewing gum.. So yea, maybe justice will be done in the eyes of u lot. and we may recieve a prison sentence or left to physically repay the debt to society.Watever we recieve.. we deserve it.. But u cant take away the fact that we are ALL GENUINELY SORRY!
They admitt it............if they go down dnt ya think it shows how sad n rediculous law is getin??
My brother was nearly killed and the guy didn't go down, yet some teenagers who pulled a prank thats gone too far are gna go down?? thats not right...........they have learnt theyre lesson and shouldn't people be focusing on the bigger problems???!
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 12:25am Fri 30 May 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted of[/bold] wrote:
'Prison sentence' my a r s e. They'll get community service and stick two finger up at the judge as they walk out the court room. [/quote] Good i hope they do:D
Disgusted of wrote:
'Prison sentence' my a r s e. They'll get community service and stick two finger up at the judge as they walk out the court room.
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 12:37am Fri 30 May 08
At The end of the day, they are genuinly sorry for what they did. I'm sure if it was anyone you knew, you would think differently. How will it help if they go down?? There are more people that were involved and they can carry on. At least these people are sorry and will stop. Maybe they should be punished but goin dwn for this is way over board! There is so much more to worry about than this! It was teenagers, being cocky and funny, and everyone of you have been one and no what its like. Maybe you didn't go this far but it's what teenagers do. The point is they are sorry and they won't carry on. If people can get away with murder and things like that then surely they should have a smaller punishment rather than being sent down. I hope, no matter what anyone says, that they don't get sent down for this because they don't deserve to be.
At The end of the day, they are genuinly sorry for what they did. I'm sure if it was anyone you knew, you would think differently. How will it help if they go down?? There are more people that were involved and they can carry on. At least these people are sorry and will stop. Maybe they should be punished but goin dwn for this is way over board! There is so much more to worry about than this! It was teenagers, being cocky and funny, and everyone of you have been one and no what its like. Maybe you didn't go this far but it's what teenagers do. The point is they are sorry and they won't carry on. If people can get away with murder and things like that then surely they should have a smaller punishment rather than being sent down. I hope, no matter what anyone says, that they don't get sent down for this because they don't deserve to be.
Posted by: drbennyboombass, bradford on 6:43am Fri 30 May 08
that said i would much prefere to go to prison for a year and carry on as i was than to have the buisness i built up over the years destroyed and have all that worry!! and the humiliation!!! i would defently swap that 4 a little prison time
that said i would much prefere to go to prison for a year and carry on as i was than to have the buisness i built up over the years destroyed and have all that worry!! and the humiliation!!! i would defently swap that 4 a little prison time
Posted by: trowbo, Trowbridge on 9:52am Fri 30 May 08
I think the point most people defending the youths are missing is the only reason they stopped and are sorry is becuase they got caught. Would they really be on here posting their sorrow at the mistake they made and how they will never do it again if they hadn't got caught?
I also belief a mistake is something you might make once or twice, then learn from the experience. As mentioned by others almost everyone has their 'little stage' as a teenager when they misbehaviour, but people learn from it and move on, not spend 5 years repeatedly making the same mistake - surely it can longer be called a mistake, it's habit, routine or even a way of life?
Prison probably isn't the right answer, but I can't help thinking that if these boys aren't dealt with they will become the hardend criminals of tomorrow. If they walk away thinking they got away with it, why stop with milk when the criminal world is their oyster?
I think the point most people defending the youths are missing is the only reason they stopped and are sorry is becuase they got caught. Would they really be on here posting their sorrow at the mistake they made and how they will never do it again if they hadn't got caught?
I also belief a mistake is something you might make once or twice, then learn from the experience. As mentioned by others almost everyone has their 'little stage' as a teenager when they misbehaviour, but people learn from it and move on, not spend 5 years repeatedly making the same mistake - surely it can longer be called a mistake, it's habit, routine or even a way of life?
Prison probably isn't the right answer, but I can't help thinking that if these boys aren't dealt with they will become the hardend criminals of tomorrow. If they walk away thinking they got away with it, why stop with milk when the criminal world is their oyster?
Posted by: Sonny-marie, Bradford On Avon on 10:59am Fri 30 May 08
I don't them all very well. But i know well enough that they have really learnt they're lesson, and they aren't the sort to go out and become "criminals". They are teenagers who have done wrong. They aren't stupid enough to get into trouble now cos no matter what, it's on record of they're past so they have got themselves a reputation. I'm not excusing what they did for one second but i know that they are not the criminals that everyone makes out they are.
I don't them all very well. But i know well enough that they have really learnt they're lesson, and they aren't the sort to go out and become "criminals". They are teenagers who have done wrong. They aren't stupid enough to get into trouble now cos no matter what, it's on record of they're past so they have got themselves a reputation. I'm not excusing what they did for one second but i know that they are not the criminals that everyone makes out they are.
Posted by: tootsie, Bradford on Avon on 9:37pm Mon 2 Jun 08
[quote]quote[/quote] so we have the son of a copper so what has that got to do with it so the boys did wrong did they kill someone or cause some damage well if you all just read on see whats went on let him who has not sinned cast the fist sone now lets see what one of you lot in the comment page slagging off some young lads have not done any wrong
quote
so we have the son of a copper so what has that got to do with it so the boys did wrong did they kill someone or cause some damage well if you all just read on see whats went on let him who has not sinned cast the fist sone now lets see what one of you lot in the comment page slagging off some young lads have not done any wrong
Posted by: tootsie, Bradford on Avon on 9:42pm Mon 2 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ba14 all day every day baby[/bold] wrote: did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????[/quote] No, I don't think they did.[/quote] nooooooooooooooooooo
oo why are they!!!!!!1 oh boy whar you do for a living
Andy wrote:
ba14 all day every day baby wrote: did they mention one of them is a police ofice son ????
No, I don't think they did.
nooooooooooooooooooo
oo why are they!!!!!!1 oh boy whar you do for a living
Posted by: tootsie, Bradford on Avon on 9:43pm Mon 2 Jun 08
[quote][bold]squirrel nutkins[/bold] wrote:
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand. [/quote] i agree with this one,no they are not hard core crims when we gonna catch them and when they do they get off
squirrel nutkins wrote:
Oh my lord, do any of you actually realise what you are saying? have you not seen what is going on in the rest of the world? there are plenty of *^%$holes getting away with far worse. yes, its terrible what they did, but get over it. this is not about a group of hardcore criminals, its about a group of young kids, who were each individually going through tough times, (which had conveniently not been mentioned) who needed a let out. people are quick enough to act now this has happened but where were they when they were actually needed. if you ask me there needs to be more money spent on OUR OWN people in this country. things like this will carry on happening because there is little focus on young people to put them in the right direction. and just to put my message across, i know each and every one of these boys very well, and they are sorry. They are all well mannered caring boys who got bored and it got out of hand.
i agree with this one,no they are not hard core crims when we gonna catch them and when they do they get off
Posted by: tootsie, Bradford on Avon on 9:45pm Mon 2 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Hayley[/bold] wrote:
6 years though, took the police long enough to do something about it! The damage has already been done hasn't it.[/quote] what damage was that did they kill someone dont think so,were they drinking and driving nope oh yeah they pinched some milk well what a waste of money for a court case
Hayley wrote:
6 years though, took the police long enough to do something about it! The damage has already been done hasn't it.
what damage was that did they kill someone dont think so,were they drinking and driving nope oh yeah they pinched some milk well what a waste of money for a court case
Posted by: drbennyboombass, bradford on 12:46am Thu 5 Jun 08
some of you are right theres far more terrible things going on in the world lets concentrate on that stuff!! by the same token if they go to prison for 4 or 5 years it doesnt really matter theres tonnes of people in jail for longer than that surley!! lets just lock them away for a good while worse things happen at sea
some of you are right theres far more terrible things going on in the world lets concentrate on that stuff!! by the same token if they go to prison for 4 or 5 years it doesnt really matter theres tonnes of people in jail for longer than that surley!! lets just lock them away for a good while worse things happen at sea
Posted by: john coffey, Wiltshire on 4:02pm Sun 8 Jun 08
[quote][bold]ba14 all day every day baby[/bold] wrote:
i think the coppers son will get a way with it like her to boys alway do the injoy joy smashing people up on the weekend and they always get away it the **** should lose her job treet her like they treet any other parent blame her isnt what they say blame the parents well dont see them saying now do you ?/?????? f.f.s.b.h.[/quote] Sometimes we r just weary of trying to fight all the bullies of this world............but what a sad reflection that in some cases those that bully the most feel they can do so because of their "protection" being related to ...a bent policeman.... getting free dairy products for 6 years.........plus all the 2smoothcrew stuff......hey chill......he'll have to start buying his milk at Sainsburys!
but ur comments seem directed at the tart that is the mother.......how do boys/kids learn to be ok...if their mother is nothing but a drunked up ****?
ba14 all day every day baby wrote:
i think the coppers son will get a way with it like her to boys alway do the injoy joy smashing people up on the weekend and they always get away it the **** should lose her job treet her like they treet any other parent blame her isnt what they say blame the parents well dont see them saying now do you ?/?????? f.f.s.b.h.
Sometimes we r just weary of trying to fight all the bullies of this world............but what a sad reflection that in some cases those that bully the most feel they can do so because of their "protection" being related to ...a bent policeman.... getting free dairy products for 6 years.........plus all the 2smoothcrew stuff......hey chill......he'll have to start buying his milk at Sainsburys!
but ur comments seem directed at the tart that is the mother.......how do boys/kids learn to be ok...if their mother is nothing but a drunked up ****?
u r really sad directing comments 2 the mum who u obviously dnt kno, she is one of the nicest people u cud ever meet and she is NO tart and NO drunked up person so get your facts right b4 u say them!!
u r really sad directing comments 2 the mum who u obviously dnt kno, she is one of the nicest people u cud ever meet and she is NO tart and NO drunked up person so get your facts right b4 u say them!!
Posted by: john coffey, Wiltshire on 8:40pm Sun 8 Jun 08
Only saying what I've heard about the mum from locals about the drinking etc
as for the kids....they learn by example and these boys were 11/12 when they started thieving from the milk guy.
Only saying what I've heard about the mum from locals about the drinking etc
as for the kids....they learn by example and these boys were 11/12 when they started thieving from the milk guy.
Posted by: damsel, West Wiltshire on 7:03pm Tue 10 Jun 08
I think you lot are slightly missing the point. The woman in question has nothing to do with this. The 5 of us are to blame!! No 1 else! Give her a rest. And wat idiot brought in the 2smooth crew?? Why? They dnt even exist, it was a name they were given, probably by the paper! anyway. we will be punished tomoro. thats what the important issue is surely, not whether ones parents are too blame. Do you honestly think prison is the answer? Yes or No?
I think you lot are slightly missing the point. The woman in question has nothing to do with this. The 5 of us are to blame!! No 1 else! Give her a rest. And wat idiot brought in the 2smooth crew?? Why? They dnt even exist, it was a name they were given, probably by the paper! anyway. we will be punished tomoro. thats what the important issue is surely, not whether ones parents are too blame. Do you honestly think prison is the answer? Yes or No?
Posted by: Memoriess, b-o-a on 1:02am Thu 12 Jun 08
i dint think they would of deserved to get sent down, it was just one little mistake they did one night an tell me, how many of your kids have gone milk blagging?? they only done it on a few occations, accept one ginger one who done it over 100 times, but there much older now an they are willing to learn from there mistakes, an for those other little s**** that go milk blagging now, well, all the boys in court got let off very lightly, but if you kids keep doing it then there gna make an example out of them!! And it will be a harsher sentance!! And all that stuff to do with one of the boys a coppers son, well, you can just get lost!! and calling her a drunk an a tart, you are just pathetic, she is NOT a drunk, she just knows how to have a good time, an how is she a slapper?? shes married aint she?? Plus dont blame the parents, they wernt there when they robbed the stuff were they? what do you think they would do?? wait in the car while they were robbing it?? No dint think so!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAGHT!!!
i dint think they would of deserved to get sent down, it was just one little mistake they did one night an tell me, how many of your kids have gone milk blagging?? they only done it on a few occations, accept one ginger one who done it over 100 times, but there much older now an they are willing to learn from there mistakes, an for those other little s**** that go milk blagging now, well, all the boys in court got let off very lightly, but if you kids keep doing it then there gna make an example out of them!! And it will be a harsher sentance!! And all that stuff to do with one of the boys a coppers son, well, you can just get lost!! and calling her a drunk an a tart, you are just pathetic, she is NOT a drunk, she just knows how to have a good time, an how is she a slapper?? shes married aint she?? Plus dont blame the parents, they wernt there when they robbed the stuff were they? what do you think they would do?? wait in the car while they were robbing it?? No dint think so!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAGHT!!!
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