Police launch car crime crackdown in Trowbridge

Wiltshire Times: Inspector Lisette Harvey with a flyer warning motorists not to leave valuables in the car Inspector Lisette Harvey with a flyer warning motorists not to leave valuables in the car

Police have launched a crackdown to reduce the thefts from vehicles in Trowbridge.
Last week, Operation Chariot launched in the town with police increasing uniformed and plain clothed patrols in Trowbridge as well as carrying out stop checks

The campaign is also being run in Bradford on Avon and Melksham with Inspector Lisette Harvey hoping it will act as a deterrent to thieves who break into vehicles.

She said: “We know there are a core of opportunistic offenders out there who walk along streets in the town and see things on display worth stealing, try the car to see if its insecure, and if it’s locked they’ll smash a window to get in.

“I would advise residents to make sure they are not keeping valuables in their vehicles, and to ensure they are locked at all times when  parked up.”

From December 1, 2012 until January 22 this year, there were 25 break-ins to vehicles parked in Trowbridge with items including CD players, sat navs, tools and money amongst other things taken in all but two of the incidents, when nothing was taken.

Inspector Harvey said: “Last week, we did foot patrols in the town, encountering a group of males who we stopped and moved on. I’m convinced if we hadn’t been there somebody would have become a victim of this type of crime and we want to ensure we are alert to what is happening.”

As part of the operation, on Saturday, police arrested a 37-year-old man, of Summerleaze, in Trowbridge, who is suspected of carrying out thefts from vehicles and he has been relased on bail.
 

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12:32pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Zapper says...

Who the heck is being daft enough to leave valuables in their car and being stupid enough not to lock it. Lock it or loose it people!
Who the heck is being daft enough to leave valuables in their car and being stupid enough not to lock it. Lock it or loose it people! Zapper

1:20pm Fri 15 Feb 13

beetawix says...

What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown).
Is it extra officers?
What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown). Is it extra officers? beetawix

1:43pm Fri 15 Feb 13

moocherx says...

beetawix wrote:
What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown).
Is it extra officers?
Same numbers of police.
They just 'tut' louder.
[quote][p][bold]beetawix[/bold] wrote: What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown). Is it extra officers?[/p][/quote]Same numbers of police. They just 'tut' louder. moocherx

2:33pm Fri 15 Feb 13

notscot says...

moocherx wrote:
beetawix wrote:
What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown).
Is it extra officers?
Same numbers of police.
They just 'tut' louder.
Probably tutting at stupid people who leave vauableson show then whine that someone's nicked them!!
Zapper says: "Who the heck is being daft enough to leave valuables in their car and being stupid enough not to lock it. Lock it or loose it people!"
The people stupid enough to leave valuables on show in their cars everyday of the week across wiltshire. There are shedloads out there daft enough.
[quote][p][bold]moocherx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beetawix[/bold] wrote: What is a police crackdown? Several crackdowns have been launched recently (search crackdown). Is it extra officers?[/p][/quote]Same numbers of police. They just 'tut' louder.[/p][/quote]Probably tutting at stupid people who leave vauableson show then whine that someone's nicked them!! Zapper says: "Who the heck is being daft enough to leave valuables in their car and being stupid enough not to lock it. Lock it or loose it people!" The people stupid enough to leave valuables on show in their cars everyday of the week across wiltshire. There are shedloads out there daft enough. notscot

3:29pm Fri 15 Feb 13

old 'arry says...

BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it!
BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it! old 'arry

7:31pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars?

I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?
I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else? Mrs Donnyfly

10:35pm Fri 15 Feb 13

notscot says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?
Like what?
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?[/p][/quote]Like what? notscot

2:22am Sat 16 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

notscot wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?
Like what?
Who knows?
[quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?[/p][/quote]Like what?[/p][/quote]Who knows? Mrs Donnyfly

9:56am Sat 16 Feb 13

notscot says...

If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck.
The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems.
If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck. The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems. notscot

10:28am Sat 16 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

notscot wrote:
If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck.
The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems.
So a "good cause" is invented so that the police can stop anyone and everyone and another piece of liberty is lost, and we all get another step closer to living in a police state.
[quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck. The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems.[/p][/quote]So a "good cause" is invented so that the police can stop anyone and everyone and another piece of liberty is lost, and we all get another step closer to living in a police state. Mrs Donnyfly

2:30pm Sat 16 Feb 13

notscot says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
notscot wrote:
If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck.
The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems.
So a "good cause" is invented so that the police can stop anyone and everyone and another piece of liberty is lost, and we all get another step closer to living in a police state.
Mrs D - you can't "invent" cause - it has to be there. Any penny-anti solicitor with half a brain would look to due cause, provenance and human rights get-out-of-jail-free cards before they even know their clients name!
Another piece of liberty lost....what's that - the right to break the law with impunity? Don't think that ever was one of our civil liberties.
And I don't think that the police service uses "invention" - (There may be the odd corrupt cop - they are definitley in the minority) I think it's time we grew up and stopped pretending that we aren't responsible for our own actions.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: If they stop/check cars and the numpties that are driving have anything in the cars they shouldn't have - or they don't have licences/insurance - tough chuffing luck. The police have to show good cause when stopping vehicles - so those being stopped have engineeered their own problems.[/p][/quote]So a "good cause" is invented so that the police can stop anyone and everyone and another piece of liberty is lost, and we all get another step closer to living in a police state.[/p][/quote]Mrs D - you can't "invent" cause - it has to be there. Any penny-anti solicitor with half a brain would look to due cause, provenance and human rights get-out-of-jail-free cards before they even know their clients name! Another piece of liberty lost....what's that - the right to break the law with impunity? Don't think that ever was one of our civil liberties. And I don't think that the police service uses "invention" - (There may be the odd corrupt cop - they are definitley in the minority) I think it's time we grew up and stopped pretending that we aren't responsible for our own actions. notscot

6:56pm Sat 16 Feb 13

WHATDIDSHESAY? says...

notscot wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?
Like what?
If they nab them for something else, surely that is a good thing???
If any other illegal activity is said to have been found i.e drugs, no insurance, even bald tyres then i can not see your point?
One of the silliest post's i have ever read.
[quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I can't recall there being that many - if any - reports of cars being broken into in Trowbridge recently. And why should the police be stop checking cars? I hope the police are not using this as an added excuse to stop and search people and nab them for something else?[/p][/quote]Like what?[/p][/quote]If they nab them for something else, surely that is a good thing??? If any other illegal activity is said to have been found i.e drugs, no insurance, even bald tyres then i can not see your point? One of the silliest post's i have ever read. WHATDIDSHESAY?

1:17pm Tue 19 Feb 13

mossware says...

If the three posters of the last seven posts took the time to read the article, they would notice that it does not mention stopping cars at all.

Although not absolutely clear, they are refering to foot patrols and pedestrian stops.

Common sense tells you that stopping cars will not reduce thefts from vehicles.

However, if you wish to make comments on cars being stopped by the police, look for the WT article on anti-social driving that was posted a few weeks back and make your comments there.

I, for one, am quite happy that they are making an effort to get officers out onto the streets. I am also equally happy that the police are doing something about the anti-social drivers.
If the three posters of the last seven posts took the time to read the article, they would notice that it does not mention stopping cars at all. Although not absolutely clear, they are refering to foot patrols and pedestrian stops. Common sense tells you that stopping cars will not reduce thefts from vehicles. However, if you wish to make comments on cars being stopped by the police, look for the WT article on anti-social driving that was posted a few weeks back and make your comments there. I, for one, am quite happy that they are making an effort to get officers out onto the streets. I am also equally happy that the police are doing something about the anti-social drivers. mossware

1:38pm Tue 19 Feb 13

notscot says...

mossware wrote:
If the three posters of the last seven posts took the time to read the article, they would notice that it does not mention stopping cars at all.

Although not absolutely clear, they are refering to foot patrols and pedestrian stops.

Common sense tells you that stopping cars will not reduce thefts from vehicles.

However, if you wish to make comments on cars being stopped by the police, look for the WT article on anti-social driving that was posted a few weeks back and make your comments there.

I, for one, am quite happy that they are making an effort to get officers out onto the streets. I am also equally happy that the police are doing something about the anti-social drivers.
We were all aware of the content of the article - but took time to comment on something unrelated to the article, something mentioned in Mrs D.'s comment.
You may have missed the point entirely.
Unless you're daft enough to think you're some sort of moderator that we're likely to listen to....?
[quote][p][bold]mossware[/bold] wrote: If the three posters of the last seven posts took the time to read the article, they would notice that it does not mention stopping cars at all. Although not absolutely clear, they are refering to foot patrols and pedestrian stops. Common sense tells you that stopping cars will not reduce thefts from vehicles. However, if you wish to make comments on cars being stopped by the police, look for the WT article on anti-social driving that was posted a few weeks back and make your comments there. I, for one, am quite happy that they are making an effort to get officers out onto the streets. I am also equally happy that the police are doing something about the anti-social drivers.[/p][/quote]We were all aware of the content of the article - but took time to comment on something unrelated to the article, something mentioned in Mrs D.'s comment. You may have missed the point entirely. Unless you're daft enough to think you're some sort of moderator that we're likely to listen to....? notscot

11:03pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather).

If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true.
I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather). If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true. Mrs Donnyfly

12:06am Wed 20 Feb 13

notscot says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather).

If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true.
The increase in burglaries/car crime - it's true. And not because the police have failed. It's because certain criminals have decided to concentrate their efforts in this area. Swings and roundabouts - the cops will concentrate on certain types of crime - those criminals involved move on to other areas - then the police concentrate their efforts on the types of crimes that increased because their efforts were directed elsewhere.
Times are getting tough - crime will rise and Police numbers are dwindling. We can only afford the police service we pay for.
You're right - it isn't illegal to gather. People are allowed to congregate. But if their behaviour while congregating is unacceptable - they'll get moved on. And if they happen to be using cars to cause a nuisance they'll run the risk of having them confiscated - tough luck.
Again - we can only have the police force we are prepared to pay for - regardless of Peel and his principles.
Necessity, Affordability, Human Rights Charter - Govt. priorities, they've all had a huge impact on the way the country is policed.
It was simpler and easier in Peels day.
Easier to gain wrongful convictions. Easy to hide corruption and brutality. Easy to allow domestic violence, racial discrimination (and other "hidden" crimes that we've only started to really recognise since the late 1900's) and rape to be blamed on the victims.
Policing has changed - for the better. But it's far more complicated now than Peel would ever have believed - policing is a nightmare of govt., and ECHR red tape and regulations - but still the cops do the job the have to do.
But come on, - crime is the fault of the criminals - not the police.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather). If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true.[/p][/quote]The increase in burglaries/car crime - it's true. And not because the police have failed. It's because certain criminals have decided to concentrate their efforts in this area. Swings and roundabouts - the cops will concentrate on certain types of crime - those criminals involved move on to other areas - then the police concentrate their efforts on the types of crimes that increased because their efforts were directed elsewhere. Times are getting tough - crime will rise and Police numbers are dwindling. We can only afford the police service we pay for. You're right - it isn't illegal to gather. People are allowed to congregate. But if their behaviour while congregating is unacceptable - they'll get moved on. And if they happen to be using cars to cause a nuisance they'll run the risk of having them confiscated - tough luck. Again - we can only have the police force we are prepared to pay for - regardless of Peel and his principles. Necessity, Affordability, Human Rights Charter - Govt. priorities, they've all had a huge impact on the way the country is policed. It was simpler and easier in Peels day. Easier to gain wrongful convictions. Easy to hide corruption and brutality. Easy to allow domestic violence, racial discrimination (and other "hidden" crimes that we've only started to really recognise since the late 1900's) and rape to be blamed on the victims. Policing has changed - for the better. But it's far more complicated now than Peel would ever have believed - policing is a nightmare of govt., and ECHR red tape and regulations - but still the cops do the job the have to do. But come on, - crime is the fault of the criminals - not the police. notscot

12:15am Wed 20 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

notscot wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather).

If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true.
The increase in burglaries/car crime - it's true. And not because the police have failed. It's because certain criminals have decided to concentrate their efforts in this area. Swings and roundabouts - the cops will concentrate on certain types of crime - those criminals involved move on to other areas - then the police concentrate their efforts on the types of crimes that increased because their efforts were directed elsewhere.
Times are getting tough - crime will rise and Police numbers are dwindling. We can only afford the police service we pay for.
You're right - it isn't illegal to gather. People are allowed to congregate. But if their behaviour while congregating is unacceptable - they'll get moved on. And if they happen to be using cars to cause a nuisance they'll run the risk of having them confiscated - tough luck.
Again - we can only have the police force we are prepared to pay for - regardless of Peel and his principles.
Necessity, Affordability, Human Rights Charter - Govt. priorities, they've all had a huge impact on the way the country is policed.
It was simpler and easier in Peels day.
Easier to gain wrongful convictions. Easy to hide corruption and brutality. Easy to allow domestic violence, racial discrimination (and other "hidden" crimes that we've only started to really recognise since the late 1900's) and rape to be blamed on the victims.
Policing has changed - for the better. But it's far more complicated now than Peel would ever have believed - policing is a nightmare of govt., and ECHR red tape and regulations - but still the cops do the job the have to do.
But come on, - crime is the fault of the criminals - not the police.
I dont necessarily agree with you but i like the cut of your jib
[quote][p][bold]notscot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: I do not believe that car break-ins are on the rise in Trowbridge. Neither do I believe other Wiltshire Police claims of an increase in vehicle crime in Westbury, or an increase in burglaries in Melksham, as reported elsewhere. It is a ruse by the agents of the state to justify a more heavy-handed policing approach and a restriction of Joe Public's personal liberty to go about their business unhindered and with anonymity (as demonstrated by a group of males being moved on - it is not illegal to gather). If these claims of an increase in various crimes throughout West Wilts are true then Wiltshire Police have failed in their duty. I would remind Inspector Harvey of the Peelian Principles of Policing set out by Sir Robert Peel - the raison d'etre, if you will, of a police force. One of these principles states that a police force's purpose is to prevent crime - the opposite of what Wiltshire Police themselves claim is happening. The final principle states that "The true measure of the effectiveness of any police force is not the number of arrests or police actions taken, but the absence of criminal conduct and violations of the law." Again, clearly not happening if these claims are true.[/p][/quote]The increase in burglaries/car crime - it's true. And not because the police have failed. It's because certain criminals have decided to concentrate their efforts in this area. Swings and roundabouts - the cops will concentrate on certain types of crime - those criminals involved move on to other areas - then the police concentrate their efforts on the types of crimes that increased because their efforts were directed elsewhere. Times are getting tough - crime will rise and Police numbers are dwindling. We can only afford the police service we pay for. You're right - it isn't illegal to gather. People are allowed to congregate. But if their behaviour while congregating is unacceptable - they'll get moved on. And if they happen to be using cars to cause a nuisance they'll run the risk of having them confiscated - tough luck. Again - we can only have the police force we are prepared to pay for - regardless of Peel and his principles. Necessity, Affordability, Human Rights Charter - Govt. priorities, they've all had a huge impact on the way the country is policed. It was simpler and easier in Peels day. Easier to gain wrongful convictions. Easy to hide corruption and brutality. Easy to allow domestic violence, racial discrimination (and other "hidden" crimes that we've only started to really recognise since the late 1900's) and rape to be blamed on the victims. Policing has changed - for the better. But it's far more complicated now than Peel would ever have believed - policing is a nightmare of govt., and ECHR red tape and regulations - but still the cops do the job the have to do. But come on, - crime is the fault of the criminals - not the police.[/p][/quote]I dont necessarily agree with you but i like the cut of your jib Mrs Donnyfly

12:33pm Wed 20 Feb 13

beetawix says...

I would like to see two crackdowns.
1. A crackdown on so caled law and order crackdowns .
2. A crackdown on the use of the quote facility when replying here. There are sufficiently few correspondents here to understand who is being replied to about what, without scrolling huge essays twice or more - you've read them once and you probably don't want to read them again.
nb These are not the words of a would be moderator.
I would like to see two crackdowns. 1. A crackdown on so caled law and order crackdowns . 2. A crackdown on the use of the quote facility when replying here. There are sufficiently few correspondents here to understand who is being replied to about what, without scrolling huge essays twice or more - you've read them once and you probably don't want to read them again. nb These are not the words of a would be moderator. beetawix

2:43pm Wed 20 Feb 13

lensman says...

old 'arry wrote:
BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it!
Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ?
[quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it![/p][/quote]Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ? lensman

3:42pm Wed 20 Feb 13

notscot says...

beetawix wrote:
I would like to see two crackdowns.
1. A crackdown on so caled law and order crackdowns .
2. A crackdown on the use of the quote facility when replying here. There are sufficiently few correspondents here to understand who is being replied to about what, without scrolling huge essays twice or more - you've read them once and you probably don't want to read them again.
nb These are not the words of a would be moderator.
Then don't tax yourself. Go read something else.
[quote][p][bold]beetawix[/bold] wrote: I would like to see two crackdowns. 1. A crackdown on so caled law and order crackdowns . 2. A crackdown on the use of the quote facility when replying here. There are sufficiently few correspondents here to understand who is being replied to about what, without scrolling huge essays twice or more - you've read them once and you probably don't want to read them again. nb These are not the words of a would be moderator.[/p][/quote]Then don't tax yourself. Go read something else. notscot

6:37pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

lensman wrote:
old 'arry wrote:
BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it!
Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ?
The question of what old 'arry would have done is irrelevant because in all Ilikelihood the incident he described didn't happen. If it did happen how did he know about it and how did he know there was two in the car?

Furthermore, who the heck are PIRA? When was that acronym ever given to the Provisional IRA?

And further furthermore, why would any lad, of whatever hue, smash a window he was intending to steal?
[quote][p][bold]lensman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it![/p][/quote]Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ?[/p][/quote]The question of what old 'arry would have done is irrelevant because in all Ilikelihood the incident he described didn't happen. If it did happen how did he know about it and how did he know there was two in the car? Furthermore, who the heck are PIRA? When was that acronym ever given to the Provisional IRA? And further furthermore, why would any lad, of whatever hue, smash a window he was intending to steal? Mrs Donnyfly

9:51am Thu 21 Feb 13

Dummer_Frauenfahrer says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
lensman wrote:
old 'arry wrote:
BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it!
Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ?
The question of what old 'arry would have done is irrelevant because in all Ilikelihood the incident he described didn't happen. If it did happen how did he know about it and how did he know there was two in the car?

Furthermore, who the heck are PIRA? When was that acronym ever given to the Provisional IRA?

And further furthermore, why would any lad, of whatever hue, smash a window he was intending to steal?
Well, that incident most certainly did happen and was widely reported on at the time, c. 1974. I won't be commenting on the use of the acronym PIRA or the OP'S statement about a 'young black lad' though.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lensman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: BAck in the days of the PIRA actions in UK, two men of a PIRA active service unit were sitting low down in a car in London at night when a young Black lad smashed the window, presumably to steal it. They shot him dead. If they had come round with the Sin Fein collecting box that night I'd have put £10 into it![/p][/quote]Would you have donated if they'd shot a young white lad then or are you just an old racist ?[/p][/quote]The question of what old 'arry would have done is irrelevant because in all Ilikelihood the incident he described didn't happen. If it did happen how did he know about it and how did he know there was two in the car? Furthermore, who the heck are PIRA? When was that acronym ever given to the Provisional IRA? And further furthermore, why would any lad, of whatever hue, smash a window he was intending to steal?[/p][/quote]Well, that incident most certainly did happen and was widely reported on at the time, c. 1974. I won't be commenting on the use of the acronym PIRA or the OP'S statement about a 'young black lad' though. Dummer_Frauenfahrer

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